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Latin language

Why isn't Latin language added as official and national language. It is pretty well known that Catholic church used and still uses Latin in liturgy and amongst pontificate. Papal States also had Latin language as official language 86.124.126.204 (talk) 00:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being the liturgical language of the Catholic Church does not make it the official language of the Vatican, nor can it be a national language as the Vatican is not a nation or nation-state. The Fundamental Law of Vatican City State, the closest thing they have to a constitution, does not list any official languages. Being a city-state inside of Italy however, the de facto language in day to day affairs remain Italian. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 01:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What language is used for official publications and pronouncements? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 02:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mainly Italian, the new version of the Fundamental Law enacted in 2023 currently only exists in Italian. Most people who work in the Vatican are Italian citizens, so it is kind of a given. That being said, media publications tend to be in several major languages. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 03:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is simply not true. Swiss guards aren't Italian. Priests and bishops are not all Italian. You don't know anything about Vatican of Catholic Church clearly 86.124.126.204 (talk) 20:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Pope is not even Italian since a long time 86.124.126.204 (talk) 20:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also Vatican is the only country which has an ATM in Latin because Latin is official there. Why would they have an ATM in Latin the only country which does that if it wasn't official. Also Popes are not required to know Italian and most popes have not been italian since Papal States. The head of the state is the Pope how can the head of state be required to know Italian if he isn't one. 86.124.126.204 (talk) 20:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The option that is not mentioned is that the Vatican does not have an official language, or that it has many. I think if any language was official it would apply to the Holy See, not the Vatican in any case. Having an ATM in Latin doesn't make the official language Latin. There's a Railway Station sign in northern England in Latin due to an historic link with Roman Britain. That doesn't make Latin the official language. In my opinion the Holy See does not have or need an official language - the Word of God is understood in all languages and in none - it is above mere earthly constraints such as language. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 21:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is true Vatican City/State doesn't have official language (de jure) (nowhere it isn't constitution says it has an official language) but officially Latin should be also included there is not reason why Italian is added and Latin not as defacto 86.124.126.204 (talk) 21:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The argument with UK is flawed since UK doesn't have official language so your argument ironically proves my point even more 86.124.126.204 (talk) 21:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The official language of the UK is English. Official status applies to what language is used in an official capacity. Having a law saying a language is official means the language can legally be used in an official capacity (without objection). It doesn't become official until it is used. If the language isn't used then it doesn't become official. I agree that Latin would be or is an official language of the Holy See, along with Italian and any other languages used in an official capacity. There is no list of official languages in a legal document because there is no need. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 22:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]