Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chop Suey!
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was - merged
Utter nonsense. RickK 20:08, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)
- Quite agree. This isn't an encyclopaedia article, it is a fan-worship essay. Delete. Fire Star 20:33, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Oh wow, I totally forgot about that song. I'm adding it to my list of music to pick up. Merge to Toxicity (album), redirect, and place on cleanup to make the prose a bit easier to parse. Actually fairly good analysis of the lyrics, and I've heard about the theory of "Suey!" being short for suicide before, and the bit about Father Armeni is supported by the System of a Down article, although I haven't checked to see if the same person wrote in both - RedWordSmith 20:43, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Dunno, what DO you do with (original?) research about a strange (if nice to listen to) song. Hmm, ok, what RedWordSmith says, Merge. Kim Bruning 20:48, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Gonna go with the previous two. It's worth keeping, but putting it on the Toxicity album and making this page a redirect just makes things easier for everyone. -Litefantastic 20:50, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Redirect/Merge with Toxicity (album). — El Chico! Talk 21:27, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Mark Richards 22:25, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Redirect to Toxicity (album). Nothing to merge—it's all fannish speculation on the meaning of the lyrics. — Gwalla | Talk 22:26, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Redirect. Good song though, does the actual song title have an ! mark in it? Darksun 08:08, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Original research. --Improv 12:25, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Merge/redirect to album article. Having individual articles about songs by popular artists is too granular, but the topic itself is acceptable for inclusion. • Benc • 15:56, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Merge, if it's a genuine album, canning the nonsense of course. Wetman 08:45, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Merge/redirect to the main article. My son has the album and the song title does in fact have an exclamation point. - Lucky 6.9 00:50, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Comments:
- utter nonsense? It seems to make sense to me. The band/album references are correct. System of a Down are in fact from Armenia. The lyrics posted are actual lyrics from the song.
- fan-worship essay? No more than articles about individual Beatles songs are.
- It may or may not be original research, I haven't checked into it.
- Generally I agree with most people here - merge with Toxicity (album). But why not merge all the Beatles singles with an article into their respective albums as well? Notability? If all those Beatles tracks are notable, I think any song that reaches top five (Chop Suey was #3 in 2001) in a Triple J Hottest 100 is notable. -- Chuq 05:10, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- There is an important distinction between temporary popularity and long-term cultural impact. Some (but not all!) of the Beatles' songs fall into the latter category; most top-5 songs do not. It's sometimes a fine line, of course. In this case, though, I'm pretty comfortable with the judgement that "Chop Suey!" is on the "temporary popularity" side. • Benc • 01:00, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I think that, like with most topics, info should be collected together until a section becomes overly long, and it should then be split off. Merge until that time Tuf-Kat 06:13, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.