Talk:Lucjan Żeligowski

Old stuff (section title added 4/21/2012)

I have a rather simple question: are the Lithuanian or Belarusian translations of his name really relevant here? Halibutt 06:38, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

As he played a role in Belarusian history, and there is literature about him in Belarusian, I suppose at least the Belarusian name would be worth mentioning. Moreover, the man wath also one of those who called themselves not Poles, but Litvin --Czalex 09:49, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Considering his participation in Central Lithuania affair, I think Lithuanian name translation is relevant here. What Belarusian literature do you mean, Czalex? Beacouse there is Polish litarature about Julius Cesar I don't think it is a valid argument for demanding that 'Juliusz Cezar' is added to his article :> --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 10:00, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, there is a notion in Lithuania to translate all names to Lithuanian by adding the generic suffixes of -as, -aite and -iene, regardless of the place of origin or ethnicity of people in question and regardless of the name they were using themselves. While I agree that the way they are referred to in Lithuania might be important in some instances (this article, for instance), I also believe we should work out some better way to mention it.

How about using a more descriptive manner, like the one I used for the current version of this article? Halibutt 11:50, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Good idea. I like it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 12:28, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, certainly better than adding the following to the article on G.W. Bush

George Walker Bush (born July 6, 1946; Lithuanian G.W. Bushas, Belarusian Джордж В. Буш) is the 43rd President of the United States...

Halibutt 17:26, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

You meant: "Belarussian: Ryhor Vandrounik Krak" :-) mikka (t) 18:30, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

And shouldn't it be Yura Vandrounik Krak? :) Halibutt 07:47, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Photo

I think the same photo got twice into the article ? Lysy 2 July 2005 18:54 (UTC)

Poor editing

I see mostly white place, when I open the article.Xx236 14:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Interesting find

I found something interesting about Lucjan Żeligowski, which piqued my interest and could pique yours too. I found an article from 1955 in the Lithuanian magazine Tėvynės sargas, link to its scanned pages here, which had translated excerpts from parts of Żeligowski's memoirs in the Niepodległość III magazine which were released by the Józef Piłsudski Institute in London. These are the pages: 68, 69, 70, 71, 72. Here is the interesting bit (first in Lithuanian):

1920 spalių 9 d. su kariuomene, sudaryta Lietuvos ir Gudijos sūnų, užėmė Vilnių ne lenkų generolas Želigovskis, bet lietuvis Želigovskis, tas kuris būdamas vaikiščiu ateidavo iš Župronių į Vilnių mokyklos egzaminams ir nakvodavo ant miesto parkų suolų. <...> Tad nebuvau atsitiktinis atsiplakėlis Lietuvoje, o mano giminė turi ilgas tradicijas ir tarnavo tėvynės gynyboj. Mano svajonė buvo gyventi su tautiečiais Vilniaus žemėj. Neskirsčiau jų į lenkus, gudus ir žemaičius. Būdamas lietuviu, niekad nebuvau nustojęs būti lenku. Šios dvi sąvokos yra tarpusavy susipynusios. Jos viena kitą papildo. Visa tai kalbu dėl to, kad įrodyčiau, jog visa tai buvo kažkas daugiau, negu lenkų generolo Vilniaus užėmimo akcija.

In English: "On 9 October 1920, with the army, made up of the sons of Lithuania and Gudija (old Lithuanian name for Belarus), Vilnius was occupied not by the Polish general Żeligowski, but by the Lithuanian Żeligowski, who came as a child from Župroniai to Vilnius for school exams and spent the night on the benches of city parks. <... paragraph with examples from his ancestors fighting for Lithuania...> So I was not an accidental out-of-nowhere in Lithuania, but my family has a long tradition and served in the Fatherland's defence. My dream was to live with my countrymen in the Vilnius region. I did not divide them into Poles, Belarusians and Samogitians. As a Lithuanian, I never stopped being Polish. These two concepts are intertwined. They complement each other. I am talking about all this in order to prove that it was all more than a Polish general's seizure of Vilnius."

Interesting food for thought.--Cukrakalnis (talk) 13:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)