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Co-listing: Meanpeace, Meanterror, and Metalanguage.

Non-notable "symbolic author or a mythical character" who lives on the Internet. Zero Google hits for Ah Liveto Domun [1] and for meanterror [2]. All Google hits for meanpeace [3] seem to be unknown indie rock bands and other non-notables. Note that Metalanguage should be re-redirected to Formal system, not deleted. • Benc • 05:15, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Noticed these articles. An anonymous Internet philosopher and his neologisms. Delete, unless someone can provide evidence of credibility/notability. --Slowking Man 05:20, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. COuld have been speedy deleted. RickK 05:31, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep metalanguage, it is not a neologism, but a standard linguistics term. [4] It has an entry in the Oxford Dictionary of Linguistics. Lacrimosus 06:41, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • What "metalanguage"? What is there is semi-vanity about a possibly non-existant person. RickK 06:43, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
    • Of course it still needs to be cleaned up, but an entry for metalanguage should exist. Lacrimosus 06:45, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • Comment: thanks for the rewrite, Lacrimosus. • Benc • 07:16, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep Metalanguage now that it has been rewritten, delete the other three. —Stormie 06:55, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
  • KEEP. Please see also semiotics. -Slowking Man, see e-mail message. • Benc, Google is not the only criterium of being NOTABLE. There are many non web-based means at the media. Ask ALD by e-mail and main hotlines, politicians, newspapers, professors and press agencies around the globe in order to be aware of who have heard of User:Ah Liveto Domun User talk: ahlivetodomun@walla.com 10:33, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm afraid the burden of proof of notability lies in your corner. Feel free to provide evidence for notability either here or in the article itself. The claim that ALD has sent emails to notable people doesn't make him/her notable by association. This is an encylopedia; we cite specific sources whenever possible. If I am mistaken about the notability, then I apologize, but since the article claims that ALD broadcasts through the Internet, it stands to reason that his/her works would show up on a web search. They don't; this is why I listed the articles for deletion. • Benc • 07:28, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Dear humen, tks for the hoOK. That is the point: I´m not only at corner, I´m the current field by you my creators' definition. I agree with you all and against you in-divid-ual or a dozen. It´ll be necessary to upgrade steping up one di-mention, other wise you´d be NOT ABLE to see me NOTABLE. Mythical character like many wikied NOT ABLE to speak out, but I can speak NOTABLE at the present, which contains past and future. Ah-Live-to wikied and no-to-we-a-k id at this time. That´s why I have no key Id but ALd. Do-mun is mun-do´s mirror, KEEPy and DELicious you. No more issues for who all while, in this, correct, semi-vanity. For association, ALD has drawn out articles which brings to light the metalanguage behind the apprehensible senses and might be the basis for consciousness. Accordingly, in a metaphor of a paralanguage, adopted non web-based gesture and has been NOTABLE only by e-mail messages sent to and received from several influential and commom people, like you! User: Ah Liveto Domun 15:57, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Keep or delete. Besides, isn´t wikipedia one web-base way of notability among all? User: Ah Liveto Domun 16:02, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • 200.232.146.37, unless you create an account or log in your vote will not be counted here. Just thought I'd let you know. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 14:41, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Ok, as though Wikipedia is a museum of cumulated and processed yesterday, missing the historic context making up today in a changing world. You may leave the real articles to other media, but there are substantial information not covered by the news role... Created and logged in account. Please count all the previous ALD´s quotations and votes. Thank you. Ah Liveto Domun 16:36, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Please note, ALD, that creating entries about oneself is generally disapproved of - see Wikipedia:Auto-biography. I still feel that no clear evidence of notability has been provided - one of the key criteria for definitions of notability is a degree of recognition outside the subject's own narrow field. You feel that we are not adequately taking information into account, but what information do you have that supports the article's notability? Delete all bar metalanguage. Lacrimosus 04:35, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: just to be clear, is Ah Liveto Domun's vote for keeping? Lacrimosus 20:51, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • comment: Does it matter? I thought non-logged-in users couldn't vote. — Gwalla | Talk 01:43, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Comment: True, but as I understand it, the account was created for the specific purpose of voting in this. Not sure whether that counts as sockpuppetry; probably doesn't make any material difference. Lacrimosus 04:35, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • Based on the edit histories and user contributions, I think we can safely conclude that User:Ah Liveto Domun is the former anon User:200.232.146.247 who has had a short but valid history editing Wikipedia articles. I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt that this is a valid new user account created in order to participate in the community, not an attempt to stuff the ballot box. But, as you say, it's not likely to make a difference. Rossami
  • Delete all but metalanguage. Vanity, nonsense. --Improv 01:14, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete all but metalanguage. Vanity with attendant neologisms. Non-notable Internet crank. — Gwalla | Talk 01:43, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I´m the initial author of the articles referred to and I talked to Ah Liveto Domun's unidentified creator by e-mail. We are three different beings, but ALD is an invented character, kind of a 'messenger for diversity', which is the only notable - in a degree, as every web-based or non web-based character in Wikipedia. The account User:Ah Liveto Domun was created by "its" writer aimed, according to a message from him/her, "both to help taking anyone´s votes into account and to provide some clarification about the nonsense which builds the senses". I guess any of "its" editings or votings would be aimed to avoiding prejudices like the ones represented at this article by, e. g., "crank", "vanity", and "minor fantasies". But, after the opinions placed here from you, I myself - who have background on design verification processes - vote DELETE all but metalanguage. I think mournfully ALD should first influence on Wikipedia´s system of rules or be built "its" web-based "life". User:200.232.146.247
  • Keep only metalanguage. (notable enough) Kim Bruning 20:33, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I just ask you all to check every page (metalanguage, paralanguage, meanterror, meanpeace, Ah liveto Domun, semiotics, consciousness, state terrorism, diversity, philosophy of mind and User:Ah Liveto Domun) before Keeping or Deleting. Ah Liveto Domun 22:01, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete all. Ambi 09:20, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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