Talk:Kugel

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Superstition

Special blessings/holiness from eating kugel? Hebe, please. Where are these super-superstitious Jews (outside of Crown Heights, and they just play superstitious on TV)? Yes, noodle kugel is traditional Joosian food (I had it once at a bat mitzvah reception--a little more hardy than the typical bagel-and-lox spread). You know, secular Jews, as well as conservative, reform, regular (real) Orthodox (not Lubovitcher cultists) Jews, eat kugel and do not ascribe any sort of hoodoo to it. It's food. It's ethnic food. It's your culture.

Such comments as are in the article's current form smack of exoticism and--dare I say it--threaten the NPOV. Perhaps if you showed citation for such behavior within the Lubavitcher community and attributed it as such it might fit... assuming even the Lubavitchers are that silly. They are pretty silly, but in general they seem to be, like Hamlet, only mad north by northwest. 98.180.8.57 (talk) 09:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

bacon is found in kugel only very rarely. Milk is almost as common. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 02:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Time

"savory kugels have always existed"

How'd they make the kugel before fire came about? --Bkrausz 03:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recipes

Yeah so i added the page, and i cannot tell you how hard it was searching for good kugel recipes. I really should get my moms and post it because it is most certianly the best!!! I love kugel!
-Mkrupnic 00:55, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

South African usage

Does anyone have a source for the South African slang term? JFW | T@lk 23:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm South African :P

There was a Jewish humour book published around 1980 in South Africa titled something like The Kugel and Bagel book, can't find the details online, but that would be a good printed reference. You can see examples of the terms in use at these links though: [1] and [2] Kuratowski's Ghost 22:54, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the claim that the term is nearly identical to JAP. They are not. Kugel has come to be applied to both Jews and non-Jews, these days with most of the Jews having left SA, the term more often than not refers to non-Jews. Also JAP is negative and implies having been spoilt by wealth, while kugel is amusing and implies trying too hard to appear to be sophisticated. Kuratowski's Ghost 19:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the statement that kugels forgo their religious beliefs as the best place to see kugels in/at their finest is shul on first night Rosh Hashanah. If they gave up their religion koeksisters would be even more appropriate —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.202.114 (talk) 07:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have re-inserted the South African slang section, reference the link http://books.google.ca/books?id=sZTLigR2t5UC&pg=PT132&lpg=PT132&dq=kugel+south+africa+isbn&source=bl&ots=-qlQn9_O0n&sig=nTpUNWcgRbRTpA-h_GZ9VbQB8Eg&hl=en&ei=b2JWS6e-BIrk8Qao2ui_Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CBYQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=kugel&f=false showing multiple references to the usage of the word kugel as described in the removed paragraph. I am new @ editing Wiki, please let me know if I did not include the reference correctly.67.69.36.201 (talk) 02:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Potato Kugel

Someone whould really merge the Potato Kugel article soon. And delete the unencyclopedic contect in that entry... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.138.221.138 (talk) 20:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Merge!--Gilabrand (talk) 10:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.94.75 (talk) 23:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes... Merging would be for the best....Phytonym (talk) 01:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, totally merge this thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.249.138 (talk) 20:30, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

disambiguation

The ~~shell scripts~~ Wikipedians looking after disambiguation pages typically won't let me arrange the disambiguated items in a meaningful way as long as the term has a "primary meaning" (by which they mean that one topic happens to be situated at the un-disambiguated title).

So technically speaking, I would suggest that the Kugel dish is not the primary meaning of the term "Kugel", even in English. Most instances of "Kugel" in English literature are references to people with the surname.

I don't really have an issue with the article residing at this title, but due to the extreme ~~inertia~~ stability given to Wikipedia procedure by those editors applying guideline pages algorithmically, it may make sense to move it to Kugel (dish) or similar. --dab (𒁳) 17:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Today's desert-like dishes?"

I ate a ton of kugel growing up. Never as desert. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 02:07, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I never even heard of a sweet kugel until I was an adult. As a child, it was always savory noodle kugels, with plenty of pepper, served with roast beef. JDZeff (talk) 23:05, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Litvak vs Galitzianer pronunciation

Is this notable? The u/i variation between litvish and galitzianer dialects isn't limited to just the word kugl/kigl, and they're just the same word in two dialects with differing phonologies. Edetone (talk) 21:32, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To not merge, given that Noodle kugel is a notable variant warranting separate coverage. Klbrain (talk) 17:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging Noodle kugel into Kugel. The etymology and histories are effectively the same and any noodle-specific components of the noodle kugel page would fit under the noodle kugel subheader in the varieties section. The rest of the content is about variations of ingredients or local customs which, again, falls under varieties. @Etonmessisthebest and Gilabrand: Thoughts? Procyonidae (talk) 20:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, I think it is worthy of a stand-alone article, same as potato kugel. On the other hand, I propose merging Jerusalem kugel and noodle kugel--Geewhiz (talk) 08:18, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't you say in 2008 (see discussion above) that you thought potato kugel should be merged with this page? I would think all three kugel variations could be merged into this one, not just noodle. - Procyonidae (talk) 22:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see that I did. It was a long time ago...Today I'm not so sure. Actually there are many more than 3 variations on kugel, but certainly noodle kugel (with its subvariations) should have a stand-alone entry.--Geewhiz (talk) 08:06, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I respect your opinion, but I just respectfully disagree. I think the current situation is just fine, and I think all the main kugel variants (noodle, potato, Yerushalmi, etc) deserve their own articles, as they are each notable enough and would add undue length to this article to merge all kugel types to one article. I think it is like merging all sandwich related articles into one article, it would be too long. Kugel is a vast category of Jewish cuisine, and I think the main variants are worthy of their own articles, as they currently have.Etonmessisthebest (talk) 10:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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