Talk:Left Front

On 14 November 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Left Front (disambiguation). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Template:Indian general election results, 2014 and Template:Indian general elections, 2004.

<copied from Talk:Left Front (India) I have requested User:Soman to fix the links to Left Front (India) in the following templates: Template:Indian general election results, 2014 and Template:Indian general elections, 2004. He bluntly refuses to fix that but prefers an editwar. The Banner talk 09:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See the short debate above. Basically, no LF exist on national level. It is true that the term is sometimes used in national politics, but there isn't any such structure or alliance in Delhi. One could argue that there was a 4-party coordination around, but it was something completly different than the LFs of WB and Tripura. As per the templates, there is a larger problem to conceptualize Indian politics as a clash between alliances (NDA/UPA) whereas in reality alliances aren't made solely on national level. State-level alliances are often more important in national elections, and it is not possible to aggregate votes and % by alliance. --Soman (talk) 13:26, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But whatever problems exist in other articles and templates should not block corrections of this article. Rather this article should be maintained as a dab page and the problems of incoming links be resolved gradually. --Soman (talk) 13:31, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is sad that your own POV is more interesting than the encyclopaedia. So far, you are the first editor I met who bluntly refuses to solve problems created by him/her. The Banner talk 14:22, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but this is not a POV issue. All wikipedia articles are connected to other Wikipedia articles, and to demand that all potential link issues be settled before making an edit would close down the whole encyclopedia. --Soman (talk) 15:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The solution, rather than reverting edits in this article, is relatively straightforward, namely to edit the templates in question and remove the alliance column altogether. --Soman (talk) 15:42, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Destruction instead of improving... The Banner talk 23:30, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So what's your take on the functioning of political alliances in Indian politics? What is the relation between say UPA and UDF? How to explain that BJP and SHS are allies in NDA, but fight elections against each other in different states (including in national parliamentary elections)? How to relate that RSP participated in UDF in Kerala in 2014 but in LF in West Bengal? --Soman (talk) 23:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If it is beneficial for seats and or power, every combination is possible. Even when they are in conflict with combinations on other political levels. I have seen the strangest combinations of political parties in their search for power. Please, stop removing sourced information. The Banner talk 00:03, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You're missing the point. If a party is part of various different alliance in one and same election, how do you construct a table were parties are too be categorized by alliance?

As per the "sourced information" (which, btw, was written by myself), what it says is that the term 'Left Front' is used as an euphemism for CPI(M) and allies. But at no point will you find a good reference on the existence of a nation-wide organized coalition by this name. Believe me, I've looked for one for long time and come to the conclusion that best to remove all references to a nation-wide Left Front. In that way Wikipedia doesn't keep perpetuating misconceptions. --Soman (talk) 02:35, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Did it ever come to your mind that such a coalition could exist only on paper for election purposes without being a real existing organisation? Just to lure voters? An Electoral alliance? The Banner talk 02:54, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, on national level the imaginary "Left Front" fulfills neither of those criteria. It is an euphemism used by media to describe the parliamentary left, but it is not a coalition as such. Around 2004 there was some feasibility of using the term as 4 left parties negotiated jointly with the UPA, although I think the correct wording would be 'Left Coordination Committee' at the time. The UPA-Left Coordination Committee would be an ok article subject of its own. But today this 4-party constellation has been superseeded, as seen on the Bharat Bandh of Nov 28 amongst other instances. --Soman (talk) 15:42, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I give up. You have really missed the point or you do not understand how politics work. The Banner talk 18:51, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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