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"Falsifying history" vs Falsyifing reality

I think we should comply to Macedonian Slavs, this generally accepted historic and "political" term instead of inventing something new. An encyclopaedia of this kind with POV and accuracy theories is not the right place for political controversies, and of course is not a place for propaganda. If things are going to change on an international level then we should reconsider the usage of this term. But until now most of the ethnic groups are Slavic groups and this is history, European not Greek. If Macedonian Slavs are ashamed for being Slavs this is their problem. They try to flasify history, their problem. So do not bother with Macedonian Slavs. Just comply to national treaties. Someday Macedonian Slavs will undestand that slavic civilization was a great civilization too. Different, but great. Do not try to change history. History changes only by herself.

Resources

Google test

These are the results of the Google test. Note: While the usage on the Internet can provide useful pointers, it is not necessarily useful as the deciding factor, especially if numbers of hits are low or differences between options are small.

All the following searches were limited to pages written in English (at least "thought by Google to be written in English"), and exclude the pages with the word "wikipedia" — we're interested in what other people use:

Macedonian Slavs

"Macedonian Slavs" -wikipedia [1] 4,880 hits.
9 of the first 50 hits refer to "Slavs of Macedonia" (mostly in the context of Middle Ages). This is not meant to imply that exactly or approximately 82% of all hits for "Macedonian Slavs" refer People X.

Macedonians

To find pages where "Macedonians" refers to People X and not to Ancient Macedonians or Greek Macedonians, it was necessary to exclude a long list of words, those refering to Greece, ancient Macedon, as well as the New Testament.
- macedonian -wikipedia -greece -greek -ancient -alexander -testament -paul -site:.gr[2] returns 45,600 hits.
- 2 out of the first 50 hits refer to ancient Macedonians. This is not meant to imply that exactly or approximately 96% of all above hits are references to People X.
"ethnic macedonians" -wikipedia [3] returns 10,600 hits.

Governments

The following governments use the following names to refer to People X:

Macedonian Slavs

Romania (in the 2002 census results: "macedoneni slavi")
The state government of Victoria (Australia) (inconsistently) uses the term Slav Macedonians for the people and Macedonian (Slavonic) for the language, but this has been the object of controversy and litigation; other Australian state governments and the federal government have also used these or similar terms on occasion ([4])

Macedonians

Republic of Macedonia
Other former Yugoslav Republics
Australia (but see above also) ([5])
Canada ([6])
France ([7])
United Kingdom ([8])
United States ([9] vs. [10])

International organisations

The following international organisations use the following names to refer to People X:

Macedonians vs Macedonian Slavs

Council of Europe ([11] vs [12])
European Union ([13] vs [14])
NATO ([15] vs [16])
United Nations ([17] vs [18]

Media

The following major media outlets use the following names to refer to People X:

Macedonian Slavs

...

Macedonians

BBC: regularly "Macedonians" [19], rarely "Macedonian Slavs" [20]
CNN: Mostly "Macedonians" [21], sometimes "Macedonian Slavs" [22]
London Times: Mostly "Macedonians" [23], sometimes "Macedonian Slavs" [24]
Google news (not a real news outlet, but rather a compendium of current online news): [25] vs. [26]

Works of reference

The following works of reference use the following names to refer to People X:

Macedonian Slavs

Encarta

Macedonians

Britannica
CIA - The World Factbook [27]
The Columbia Encyclopedia
The Harvard Dictionary of Music
Philip's Encyclopedia
The Macmillan Encyclopedia
Crystal Reference Encyclopedia
Penguin Encyclopedia of Places
The Companion to British History

Propaganda doesn't change facts. Have you ever read about Archaeology and Poltics or History making and poltics? Well archaeology is my job and I know exactly how Greece, FYROM, United Kingdom, France...all nations of the world play the game according to their ethnic interests --Kalogeropoulos 18:50, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikiportal/

You created this page in Greek this afternoon: wouldn't it be better placed on Greek Wikipedia? :) (It's easier if you move it yourself, that way the correct edit history is maintained) All the best, Physchim62 14:56, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm terribly sorry It was an action by mistake. Portal has allready been saved on greek wikipedia. Pls delete this page. I hope i didn't trouble you much. Sorry Again--Kalogeropoulos 16:05, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Filiki Eteria

At Filiki Eteria, you wrote the recommended reading books in Greek I think. Since this is an English wikipedia, can you please translate that and write their English titles, names, etc? Also, you might want to check out Wikipedia:Babel. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:16, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

It will be done veruy soon. Thanks--Kalogeropoulos 09:14, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just wondering...

Are you any relation to Maria Callas?--Jpbrenna 19:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually there is some kind of relation. But branches of the same family have been evolved so differently and in so different places that i can't claim any kind of immediate relation. Why don't you visit Βικιπαίδεια?--Kalogeropoulos 23:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image Tagging Image:Abderacoin.png

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Abderacoin.png. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

Done--Kalogeropoulos 11:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC) If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Longhair 12:39, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You do realise that if the article stays at Anne-Marie of Greece you are saying that she is a reigning monarch, not the consort of a former or exiled king. All monarchs are listed in the form <name> of country. All living consorts and former consorts are in the form <title> <name> of country to distinguish them from monarchs, with they reverting to the form <name> of <country of birth> or maiden name if non-royal, on death. Do you really want Wikipedia to suggest that Anne-Marie is the current queen-regnant of Greece, just as Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom is queen-regnant of the UK? That is what your vote would result in, a 100% wrong name.

The international rules on exiled royalty is clear and used worldwide.

Where a monarch freely abdicates, they are referred to as ex-king and ex-queen.
Where a monarch is deposed (whether by coup, revolution or referendum) but they do not abdicate, they are referred to by their former constitutional title as what is called a courtesy title for the remainder of their lifetime.

As Constantine never abdicated, he is known internationally in republics and monarchies alike as King Constantine of Greece. The French Republic calls him that. The United States calls him that. The Republic of Ireland calls him that. The Republic of South Africa calls him that. They all make it clear that he is not the reigning king of Greece as there is no such person anymore, merely that he is a one-time king in exile. It is the same principle that sees former US presidents referred to as President, former US senators called Senator. Former ambassadors in much of the world still called Ambassador. They are courtesy titles, not statements that they still hold their former office. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 17:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gr-Tr board

Hello! Are you still interested in the Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation? I think we have mustered enough people to get this started, but since it's been quite some time, it would be nice to have a confirmation by the people who have shown interest, before going official. Please leave a note (affrimative or negative) in the proposed project talk page. --Michalis Famelis 16:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Σχετικά με το ..., πρέπει να δεις αυτό και να πράξεις αναλόγως. Thanks. --Enas Filos 21:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category Deletion

Please visit [28] and weigh in! NikoSilver ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POLL

No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:

Improvement of the <ref> function.

Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll! NikoSilver ^{(T) @ (C)} 18:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

and another Poll...

Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Kindly weigh in! :NikoSilver: 22:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for calling in but I don't agree, so it's better not to vote. I left a comment though--Kalogeropoulos 23:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Macedonia (terminology)

Well, that'll be the first article we're not bitching too much about! :-) :NikoSilver: 22:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greek and TGreek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation proposal removed

Hello, I'm contacting you to let you know that I have withdrown the proposal for wikiproject Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation as so much time has passed in inaction, I am no longer interested in it and I don't have any time to spare for it. I regret to take this step unilateraly as there are some 16 people who had showed interest, but the whole thing has been inactive for too long in my opinion. Thanks for showing your initial interest anyway!! Keep up the good wiki-work! --Michalis Famelis (talk) 18:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Muchas gracias

Hey Kalogeropoulos, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoi khoi 04:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PAEEK

Hi, I am trying to save an article that has been proposed for deletion on PAEEK, and was hoping for you input; if of course you agree to preserve it.[29] It has been proposed by the same user (User:KRBN. (AKA User:Moutalos)) who seems to have proposed several similar articles for deletion and to which you have offered your opinion already. Regards, Georgeg 20:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

--Tony esopi patra 16:56, 5 Νοεμβρίου 2006 (UTC) Ευχαριστώ Achaia Football Clubs Association

Η ψηφοφορία τελείωσε.

Cooperation board launched

A new (and overdue) Greek and Turkish cooperation and notification board has been launched here. Stop by, have a look and sound off! Cheers! Baristarim 07:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support

As you set out for Ithaka, hope the voyage is long
Knowledge is your destiny, but don't ever hurry the journey
May there be many summer mornings when
With what pleasure and joy, you come into harbors seen for the first time

Don't expect Ithaka to make you rich. Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey
And, if I, one of your fellow-travellers, can offer something
To make this journey of yours even more fascinating and enjoyable
This is my assistance with anything I can help.

Thanks

Ευχαριστώ! Πολύ χρήσιμες όλες οι ενημερώσεις που έλαβα. Θα συνεισφέρω στη Βικιπαιδεία, αλλά νομίζω ότι έχω ακόμη ένα χρόνο γεμάτο εδώ. Μέχρι τότε θα είναι περιορισμένη η παρουσία μου στο ελληνικό wiki. Αλλά κάποια στιγμή θα έρθε το πλήρωμα του χρόνου να αλλάξω κέντρο βάρους. Ένα άλλο στοιχείο που επίσης διαφοροποιεί την Ελληνική από την Αγγλική wikipedia και που επειβεβαιώνει αυτό που είπες για τα πολλά ανοιχτά ζητήματα και εδώ είναι η παρουσία ξένων χρηστών συγκεκριμένων εθνικοτήτων που οδηγεί σε έντονες αντιπαραθέσεις για άρθρα εθνικού ενδιαφέροντος (αν ο όρος αυτός είναι δόκιμος). Αν δεις προσεκτικά τον κατάλογο συνεισφορών μου των τελευταίων δύο ημερών, θα καταλάβεις τι εννοώ! Και πάλι σε ευχαριστώ!--Yannismarou 12:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bălţi page in Greek (translation into Greek)

Dear Kalogeropoulos, please translate at least couple of sentences on Bălţi (Moldovan city) from English or any other convenient for you language, which you keep deleting in its English version. Could you at least write how Bălţi is spelled in Greek? Thank you very much in advance for your professionalism. You can always e-mail me should you have any questions.

Melpo Merlier

Thank you for answering, so quickly and fully, my wish that someone would write an article on her! Andrew Dalby 18:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Atatürk Presentation

You can translate the first paragraph of Atatürk article, brother.

Meanwhile, Atatürk lifted the Greek flag that was on the ground and he didn't step on your flag in İzmir, Turkish War of Independence. Then he said "A flag is the most important symbol for honour of a country." He was a gentleman I have ever seen. :)

Take care of yourself.

Teşekkürler, iyi çalışmalar. XD kızılsungur 06:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I have a video about Greek-Türk peace.

Elena Paparizou

Listen, I don't know what your problem is, but just because an image is copyrighted, does not mean it needs to be removed. I have removed the album covers, but you're taking it too far. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't understand the way you word things. (reply here) Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This Is Our Night

Γειά σας. Είδα ό,τι μιλάτε τα ελληνικά ως μητρική γλώσσα όπως εγώ, δηλαδή θα σας μιλήσω ελληνικα. Δεν καταλαβαίνω γιατί βάλατε το άρθρο του τραγουδιού μέσα στο άρθρο του καλλιτέχνη Σάκη Ρουβά στον ελληνόφωνο βικιπαίδεια. Νομίζω ό,τι πρέπει να ξαναγίνει όπως ήταν πριν γιατί το άρθρο του τραγουδιού ήταν πάρα πολύ καλό. Τι σχέση τώρα έχει πότε κυκλοφόρησε και η σύνθεση του τραγουδιού του Ρουβά με τον ίδιο. Ξέρω πως δεν υπάρχουν άρθρα για τραγούδια ακόμα στον ελληνικό αλλά πάντως είναι καλό να ξεκινάνε περισσότερα θέματα για τη μουσική. Το ελληνόφωνο είναι πάρα πολύ πίσω: έχει μόλις 40.000 άρθρα όποτε το αγγλόφωνο έχει περίπου 3.000.000. Μόνο γιατι δεν υπάρχουν άλλα άρθρα για σύγχρονα τραγούδια δεν συμαίνει ό,τι είναι λάθος να υπάρξουν και θα ήθελα να κάνουμε μια συμφωνία να το ξαναβάλουμε. Σας ευχαριστώ. GreekStar12 (talk) 02:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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