Talk:Gerridae

Gerridae was nominated as a Natural sciences good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (January 28, 2013). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

(Removing stub)

I think this is big enough to warrant the removal of the stub notice, so I'm going to do that now. Bloodshedder 17:43, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Correction

This needs some reworking. The article is at water strider, so it should be fairly general. The intro makes it look as if it is just one species, but that is not true. Many members of the family Gerridae are called water striders, and even some like Vellidae, an entirely different family, are also water striders. We should at least remove the mention of the specific species, and if there is enough info on it, move it to its own article. - Taxman ^Talk 17:53, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Tell us the genus Please.

Fabricius

The information about Johann Christian Fabricius is from the Gerris page [1], now merged into water strider. -- JimR 09:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Are all Gerridae water striders?

If so, can we remove the self-link in the article, please? Thanks.

Samsara _contrib ^talk 12:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Needs more information

The only thing this article really talks about is how the water strider is able to move on top of water. There isn't anything about it's life cycle, predatory behavior, etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.213.220.62 (talk) 20:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Yeah i'd like to see something about its anatomy. What's with carrying its front two legs at that weird angle like antennae? Or... are those not the front pair? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speed

Maybe I didn't understand the article properly but I don't see how the animal can move at 1.5 m/s if 0.25 m/s is far faster than it can move it's legs. Is this correct? Count penta 08:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other Gerridae behavior

I apreciate the information on the insect's mobility in water, but could other info such as what they eat or what they're natural enimies are be included? Thanx.

hydrophobic leg section

This entire section needs some serious help. First a lot of that information about heptaflouriwhatits and angles and millinewtons went straight over my head. Plus this article is about the insect, not how to build their legs. I would suggest seriously cutting down on this section so that experiment results are not included unless they are proven to be very relevant to the insect, and simple enough for people who don't have a graduate degree in fluid mechanics can understand it. 65.167.146.130 (talk) 20:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reworked

I reworked this disaster of an article using available literature. I trimmed down the "Nature of the hydrophobic legs" section which looked like somebody was doing a promotion of their research and added information useful for general public. Improvements are of course welcome (I'm not a native English speaker). --Yerpo (talk) 09:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cited Nature Paper

The cited paper in Nature is a rather short article, and so far as I can tell, doesn't disprove a chemical basis for the hydrophobicity of the legs. Should the corresponding text be edited? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.94.128.120 (talk) 00:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Predators

Spiders also happen to hunt striders, at least these that also can move on water. Further, striders sometimes hide under plants, leading them sometimes to be caught in spiders nets. No source, since personal observation.--46.142.55.9 (talk) 08:09, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The article on Gerris lacustris, more commonly known as the water strider, is fairly short. It has about a paragraph for each section of physical description, reproduction, food and nutrients, and adaptations. There are few details about the mating behavior of water striders, except for two short sentences near the end. Much more detail can be added about how conflicts over mating lead to an antagonistic coevolution of the two different sexes. Although it is objective and decently written, the article is far from complete; there are only five references listed at the bottom. Njoymusic2 (talk) 19:50, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Gerridae/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs) 06:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to take on the review of this article which has been awaiting review for nearly three months. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First reading

There are several paragraphs that have no references at the end or, in some cases, no references at all.
The lead is quite long but does not fully summarize the rest of the article. It includes some information that is not included in the body of the article.
Where measurements are given, they should be in imperial measure as well as metric.
The article is in need of a thorough copyedit, especially the first half. The phraseology used is often somewhat muddled. Most of the following points refer to sentences in need of improvement but there are many other places where the prose is of poor quality: Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:54, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Rather than using it for flight, it acts as a membranous covering and the thickened part is by where claws develop."
"Consistent with the classification of Gerridae as true bugs, gerrids have a mouthpart evolved for piercing and sucking, gerrids distinguish themselves by having the unique ability to walk on water."
"The front legs are attached just posterior to the eyes while the middle legs are attached closer to the back legs which attach mid-thorax but extend beyond the terminal end of the body."
"However, wingless forms are favored due to competition for ovarian development and wings and reproductive success is the main goal due to the selfish gene theory."
"Temperatures signify the seasons and thus when wings are needed since they hibernate during winter."
"... though this development rate has been found highly correlated to the water temperature the eggs are in."
"It has been studied by prevalence of water striders in varying environments, that water striders most prefer waters around 25 degrees Celsius."
"Fish do not appear to be the main predators of water striders, but will in cases of starvation."
"Males that are allowed to mate stay attached to the same female for the entire reproductive season." - Physically attached?
"This is likely due to the fact that development rates of young are temperature dependent [5]." - To what does this number 5 refer?
" Prominent genera Gerridae are present in Wales, the former U.S.S.R., Canada, U.S.A., S. Africa, S. America, Australia, China and Malaysia [5]. - ditto. Are there none present in Europe apart from Wales?

On hold

This is an interesting article but it appears not to have been edited to any extent before or since being put forward for GA review and I am putting it on hold for seven days. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:01, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cwmhiraeth, just so you know: the nominator was a student in this class, and has not edited on Wikipedia for over a month, since the class ended in December. The new semester started on January 14; a few students from the class have returned to their GANs, but several have not. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:59, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you BlueMoonset. During the ten days that this nomination has been on hold, no attempt has been made to improve it. So I am failing it on the basis of the comments I have made above. If the article is improved at a later date, it can be renominated. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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