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Hyphens
[edit]Please, don't put hyphen in the name. I think it needs to be discussed, but current official romanization doesn't allow - in name usually. The new romanization isn't yet widespread, and there are many old style romanizations, here and there. But I believe I should insist using the new rules for new entries of Korean names.
- You have a good point, but it's worth noting that even the official website of Cheong Wa Dae hyphenates the names. [1] That's more than "here and there." Aside from which, I think there are sound reasons for hyphenating most Korean multi-syllabic words, since the syllable boundaries are often unclear to non-Korean-speakers. Cheers! -- Visviva 09:15, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
U.S.
[edit]Let's make a table. The list just looks bad. - 68.72.129.171 21:55, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Table
[edit]Let's support the table method! ü
Tables
[edit]The tables are a nice idea, but I think there are some problems... For one thing, do we really need the presidents of the Provisional Government in this article? Whatever their status, they certainly weren't the presidents of South Korea, which after all is the subject of the article... I would think a simple link to the PGROK article would suffice... Also, do we need the Korean names of the political parties? Seems like that information is best included in specific articles on the parties (where such exist)... Any thoughts? -- Visviva 02:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
- the provisional gov't is also listed in Rulers of Korea. is the provisional gov't specifically viewed as the predecessor to the south korean gov't, & not north korea? otherwise, i think we can delete here. also, the "rulers" list includes gov't name (or is that administration name), e.g. 3rd republic, participatory government, which should be moved or copied, from there to here, i think, since this is the more specific article. Appleby 03:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
i have renamed "Rulers of Korea" into "List of Korean monarchs" to be consistent with other countries' lists, & kept the link to this article at the end of the list. the following was removed from there, in case anyone wants to integrate into this article's table:
- 1948–1960 1st, 2nd, 3rd President 이승만(Rhee Syng-man) (The 1st Republic)
- 1960–1962 4th President 윤보선(Yun Bo-seon))(The 2nd Republic)
- 1963–1979 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th President 박정희(Park Chung-hee) (The 3rd/4th Republic)
- 1979–1980 10th President 최규하(Choi Kyu-ha)
- 1980–1988 11th, 12th President 전두환(Chun Doo-hwan) (The 5th Republic)
- 1988–1993 13th President 노태우(Roh Tae-woo) (The 6th Republic)
- 1993–1998 14th President 김영삼(Kim Young-sam) (The Civil Government)
- 1998–2003 15th President 김대중(Kim Dae-jung) (The Government of the People)
- 2003–present 16th president 노무현(Roh Moo-hyun) (The Participatory Government)
Appleby 19:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
The addition of the prime minister spot to the table of presidents might also make for a bit of clutter, since although there have been 9 people that have held the job of president, there have been 37 official prime ministers.[2] It might be more useful to create a table listing prime ministers in a separate article, along with the presidents they served under, and then to link to that table/article here.--Zonath 06:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Why are Syngman Rhee and Park Chung-hee counted as multiple, differently numbered presidents, even though they served consecutive terms? This is an odd method of counting the presidents; if we counted U.S. presidents that way, George W. Bush would now be the 64th president. Is this the official way South Koreans number their presidents? Mike1981 22:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
National Assembly votes
[edit]"If the National Assembly votes against the President's decisions, it will be declared void immediately." This is ambiguous. Does it mean the President's decision will be annulled, or that that National Assembly's vote will be invalid? Riyehn (talk) 00:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
- I understand it to mean the National Assembly annuls presidential decrees. But I wonder if simple majority is enough? CuriousOliver (talk) 16:09, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Impeachment?
[edit]I don't see anything about impeachment. Could anyone add how it works? CuriousOliver (talk) 16:11, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Infobox
[edit]Park is still President of South Korea, until either she resigns or is removed from office. Until then, she should be kept in the infobox. GoodDay (talk) 17:27, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Ordinal of the Presidencies
[edit]I note that at present the ordering of the presidents is such that where an individual served more than one terms without interruptions (i.e. Rhee, Park, Chun) they are counted as having served once. I know this is how the presidencies are counted in the United States, but in Korea the official position appears to be to count the presidential terms rather than the uninterrupted service. Thus, while Moon is currently listed as the 12th President in our list, he is always referred to as the 19th President in Korea. I am not aware of any Korean sources that list Park as the third president, Chun as the fifth president, etc.
Given the current presentation appears to be in contrary to the official position of the Government of South Korea, I am changing the numbering of the Presidents to count the terms rather than the uninterrupted service, of course pending further discussions by other users including any official source supporting the numbering the presidents by uninterrupted service. Let me know if you have any feedback or contrary views. Sydneyphoenix (talk) 00:40, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
The edit I made yesterday has been reversed, without detailed discussion on this page. There aren't much information regarding this matter on the website for the Office of the President, but in this transcript of his speech after the oath assuming the Presidency, Moon introduces himself as the 19th President; one would think he knows better than most what his title is, for such an occasion. (http://www1.president.go.kr/president/intro.php) Also this and several other press releases from the National Electoral Commission refers to the election of May 9 in which Moon was elected as the President as the "19th Presidential Election. Here is the link for one of those press releases: (http://www.nec.go.kr/engvote_2013/04_news/02_02.jsp?num=488&pg=1&col=&sw=). Given these official documents, I think the case for calling him the 19th President is quite strong; it makes no sense to address him as the 12th President in English and the 19th President in Korean. The situation is simply that Korean system of counting Presidential terms is different from the American one. Given these, I will change the orders of the Presidents back to what I organised yesterday, pending contrary evidence from other users. Sydneyphoenix (talk) 13:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- I've implemented a compromise for those article intros & infoboxes. IMHO, it will best explain the situation to less familiar readers. GoodDay (talk) 13:48, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Sydneyphoenix:, @GoodDay:. This is a problem we run into time and time again with ordinals in infobox and their various, ridiculously uneven applications across Wikipedia. What is the substantive point in including any of them in the box if they can be so easily misconstrued? The notion of "regional" editing style might sort of work when it comes to the syntax and prose of the article itself, but since the readership is indisputably international, there has to be some baseline consistency to a fact/data infobox. The "list of presidents/PMs/leaders/governors/etc of X" articles can deal with the ordinals but they are so, so, so much more trouble than the meager worth they bring by being included. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- I've no problem with deleting all numberings (from the infoboxes & intros) from all the South Korean presidents bios. Just make sure it's done for all of them. GoodDay (talk) 18:30, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- Obviously this is a larger point to be made at whatever relevant Wikiproject, but I am talking about all articles. Which I know will face the biggest headwind from obstinate American editors who want to preserve the cult of the Presidency, but I really do wish they would all go away. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- For the sake of consistency and to avoid further edit warring, I'm going to go ahead and remove the ordinals pending further discussion. A discussion regarding all such articles would probably be most appropriate at WT:POLITICS or maybe even the Village Pump. clpo13(talk) 18:37, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Unarticled acting presidents
[edit]I am not very familiar with Korean presidents or politics, but wouldn't acting presidents of a country merit their own pages? I am not informed enough to do so, but with the depth of knowledge I've seen on this site, I am sure it can be done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:74E5:9600:A982:F110:8D32:1A5B (talk) 21:40, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Table of Presidents lacking label
[edit]It isn't clear what color represents what Party Bergmanucsd (talk) 01:16, 27 April 2018 (UTC)Bergmanucsd
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New president
[edit]Why is old president still here? What this north Korea? Bigloversunitedbigshots (talk) 19:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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Religion
[edit]The religion parameter has been depreciated in June 2017 from {{Infobox officeholder}} following this discussion. Should the religion parameter |blank1= and |data1= removed? 49.150.0.134 (talk) 15:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)