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Photo

Anyone have objections to the PMRC photo here? I dont think its necessary or appropriate..its on the rage entry which is fine, especially since it actually goes with the part about the protest against the pmrc. But uhh..posting it twice, with no mention of the event? Kinda strange.--Sean.ridgeley 01:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't there be a picture of Zack sporting his trademark dreads? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.206.139.28 (talk) 22:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

plurality when referring to bands

first as an aside, I don't think they're "nu metal" either what ever the fuck that is. rage needs like 9 style categories of their own.

Rage IS NOT NU METAL! There was nothing even close to Rage's style to call it a rebirth of anything. Furthermore, nu metal pussies have not come out with anything even close to as meaningful as Rage's first album. Nu metal is little boys crying and trying to sound hard... Pantera is real metal!--Mahnster1 02:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"rage.. were formed"- I don't like it. Don't wann go down a hellish grammar road here, but I think it's acceptable to say the band was formed. I think I've seen plural names like the white stripes treated as singular, but it's more rare. Anyway, when the band name is singular is when you may see it either way. anybody who really gets deep into grammar wann weigh in, I'll listen- otherwise your wack I'm afraid. Kzzl

Clarify: paintings

New post: Since I can't figure out how to start a new comment (shouldn't there be a button somewhere, or should I have to be learned in the secret ways of the wikipedia cult first?) I'll just post it here. In the early bio section, it's unclear whether Zak destroyed his paintings or his fathers paintings. I'm sure the author is trying to express this had an effect on young zack, but I'm unsure what the effect was since I don't even know what happened. Also, could we get more insight on why his dad was so hellbent on destroying the pictures? It sounds like an interesting story why anyone would do that. Was he clinically insane? Or where they Zack's pictures, and his father just didn't approve of their content and the time that his boy spent on them?

Response to above comment: To start new comment, click the + symbol next to 'edit this page'. Also I agree with you about the whole Beto de la Rocha nervous breakdown, just seems like there's so much more room for elaboration. In addition, there was a sentence that sounded confusing to me. It reads "paintings which had helped him establish a sense of Chicano identity." Who is "him"? Zack or Beto?

Absolute phrasing

Just a general remark to deification of musicians and bands. This sentence just cracked me up:

"who were highly regarded as one of the most influential rock bands in recent history"

Not only is it rather dodgy use of the English language, it also reads more like a made-for-fans-by-fans bio, than an encyclopedia entry.

The second part of the sentence is much better:

"as they helped pave the way for many of today's hard rock bands that fuse rap and rock."

That goes straight to the subject of the matter.

Unfortunately, this follows: "They were also known as one of the most politically-inspired bands in popular music's history."

So absolutist! Definitely the kind of statement that deserves elaboration and comparison. Who were also political? the MC5? PE? Ice Cube? Were they more or political or less? Or the same?

Rage were more political than the vast majority of popular bands. They are somewhat comparable with peace punk bands. They're more politically inspired than the most well-known examples of political activism in music; more than Bob Dylan, The Clash, Stevie Wonder or Bob Marley. They were - absolutely - more political than Ice Cube, PE or the MC5. Agreed, given the ideological nature of every sngle one of Rage's songs and their frequent unambiguous references to specific political and social figures/movements makes them "more political" than perhaps any other musicians in history. -Actually in the picture of Zack (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/Zack_de_la_Rocha.jpg) his left hand is partially hidden behind his shirt so it looks skinnier than it really is. Every right handed male uses (and masturbates) with the right hand. Ergo, the right gains more muscle. Left handed people have bigger left arms. --79.64.234.155 (talk) 01:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

a poet?

Since when is he a poet, I don't see anything published by him or any mention of it in the article. Rizla 01:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

His recitation of a poem he wrote is on the RATM DVD. He was certainly a poet. --Switch 15:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't rappers poets in a sense? 68.195.47.239 19:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC) In a way, yes they are.--Adb jr (talk) 02:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Adb jr[reply]

The he wrote a poem and read it doesn't make him a poet, I don't think, at least not in the sense of most of the members of the "American Poets" category. I'm going to remove the category -- unless, of course, we want to include all American rappers in the "American Poets" category. --Chetfarmer (talk) 19:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zach De La Rocha = Modern Day Poet - The delivery may be different, but it is absolutely poetry - we don't live in the 1800's 2603:6000:D700:EC9F:ACD1:2159:A87B:7210 (talk) 00:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

college

Did he attend any?

My recollection is that I read in the cd liner notes of at least one of their albums that Zack had a masters in sociology. The article as written makes it sound like he dropped out of junior high school, which is wrong in any event. I'm looking for sources for his education so the article can be corrected. Rifter0x0000 (talk) 17:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

10 years later and still none the wiser. Lord Law Law (talk) 20:43, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

This page really needs correct citations, and information that can be validated. Where did the whole Roberto De La Rocha and painting information come from? As well as referenced to band history and early school life...--Amplicy 17:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is a rumor that Zack is gay, and was even posted on this page at one point Stick to the rules of wikipedia and do not post anything that doesnt have a credible source That means until Zack makes his sexuality publically known through an interview or the like do not post rumors on an encyclopedia page.

Zack's Speech

"So who went out and joined us for the Democratic National Convention? I've never seen so many fucking cops in my whole life.. what do they do, they open fire on the crowd."

The speech is described as "notable," but what I noted was that there is no reference to show that any such event actually happened. At which Democratic National Convention did this supposedly happen? Shawn D. 16:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 2000 Democratic National Convention. For more information, see Rage Against the Machine#2000 Democratic National Convention and 2000 Democratic National Convention protest activity; the Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium DVD has a nice video of it. The events were covered by CNN, MTV, the New York Times, Rolling Stone etc. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 05:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong year

I got the Lyricist Lounge, vol. 1-album in 1998, so this information is not correct: "C.I.A. (Criminals In Action)" from Lyricist Lounge, Volume One (2000) with KRS-One and the Last Emperor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.63.243.46 (talk) 19:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC) he was gay[reply]

Political affiliation

Is there any information on Rocha's specific political affiliation? Of course, there can be no doubt that he is a socialist, but has he ever professed a preference for a specific philosophical or ideological background? If he has, it's the sort of thing that belongs on the page. If nothing else, the article could at least point out that he hasn't.--Cast (talk) 05:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

EZLN

Moved from Rage Against The Machine to here by CloudNine. More suited to the article

De la Rocha made four trips to Chiapas in order to aid the EZLN. His first was in an observatory team monitoring negotiation between the EZLN and the Mexican government. At one point de la Rocha and others in the team formed a human chain to protect the EZLN from potential threats.^[1]

His second trip, in February 1996, was to peace campaign camps in La Garrucha. de la Rocha said of the experience:

There, I experienced the terror and the intimidation to the integrity of the people by the soldiers; the isolation in which the communities had to subsist; the military camps located between the houses and the fields, I understood then that one of the great missions of a low intensity war is to wear out the people through hunger and to create lack of goods. That starvation practice against the people has the same effect as throwing bombs on the population, but is more comfortable for the rulers because it maintains Mexico as a stable place and as a suitable place for financial investments and it doesn't place the Free Trade Agreement at risk. We were witness of that, we saw how the soldiers burned and razed the fields, threw the children out of schools, and turned the latter into barracks... and each time we became more familiar with the Zapatistas' form of organization, communal work and cooperation. And I realized that the intentions behind the militarization were to break down the community, to keep the people from organizing in an autonomous manner in order to overcome poverty and isolation

Later in 1996, de la Rocha led an educational trip for young students, artists and activists from L.A. to Chiapas.

^ Rricke, David (November 25, 1999),"The Battles of Rage Against the Machine", Rolling Stone. Retrieved October 6, 2007.

This may be worth integrating into a larger political views section. CloudNine (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His dad was a Hasidic Jew from a Spanish Jewish family

His dad was a Hasidic Jew. He is not ethnically Mexican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.105.119 (talk) 01:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hasidic Judaism is a religion. He grandparents were ethnically Mexican. His father "claimed" to be a Hasidic Jew from Spain, but this was not true.76.100.69.14 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:00, 6 January 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Yeah I know its a religion.But he is a Hasidic Jew from a Spanish Jewish family. I'll fix the title. Wait so you know more about his own ancestry than he does? Wow, I never knew. Forgot that, his father knows more about his OWN ancestry then you. Don't try to act like you are all knowing because you listen to his son's music. His dad is a reliable source in that he knows more about his ancestry then anybody else here. How would you like it if somebody you don't even know tried to come and tell you your own ancestry? Only because De la Rocha is a Spanish surname from Catalonia, Spain, not a Jewish surname doesn't mean he is not Jewish. Most Jews have Jewish surnames, but probably only his mother was Jewish not his father.

Being Jewish can be both a religion and an ethnicity. His father was of Spanish-Jewish origin, most predominantly from Spanish Sephardi Jews. If he claimed that his ancestors were Jews, it is virtually impossible that they were ethnic Mexicans who converted to Judaism. It was the other way round, they were Sephardi Jews who converted to Catholicism, and so, their ETHNICITY remained Jewish. Can you change your ethnicity by conversion? hmmmm.. 192.162.150.105 (talk) 11:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

until Zach can back it up with a DNA test, it's just a nebulous claim made by many in the Chicano movement during the 60s and 70s. I have cousins in Texas who made similar claims yet we come from the same branch of g-parents and there's no written records of Jewish heritage and the records only go back as far as the late 18th Century from Galicia Spain where there weren't that many Spanish Jews (most lived in the South under the rule of the Caliphate until the Catholic Monarchs took over Al Andalus and expelled them). While it's certainly possible that some Jews remained "hidden" while migrating to Neuvo Espana they most certainly weren't Hassidic since that branch of Jewish faith is based out of Eastern Europe NOT Spain. Also, there are Hasidim Mexican Jews living in Mexico and many of them are descendants of Eastern European Jewry from the 19th Century.--47.157.17.126 (talk) 03:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

This page is categorized under "American agnostics". Why? I see no evidence that he is an agnostic. --Mr. Guye (talk) 22:02, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Any interest in adding IPA of "Rocha"?

I dont have a source that isn't Youtube, but there is much confusion about how Zach himself says his surname. He says it with a rolling "R" and typical Spanish "-cha","like 'echa' (cleans), but many say it 'Roka'. Since I dont know how to write IPA and dont have a source, then perhaps the community could help out? Addeps3 (talk) 11:56, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coloured wrist-band?

Welcome to you all. Sorry for bringing this here, but I suppose it is the best place for my question. On some pictures from some concerts, Zack de la Rocha is wearing a wrist-band of three colours: black, white and red. What is the meaning of these three colours combined? I believe there is some meaning, but I do not know it. Thank you for your help. Sleepy Prince 2020 (talk) 01:25, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sleepy Prince 2020: It's Zapatista/EZLN; while their official flag is black/red, much of their imagery contains white also. ¡Por vida! :) 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:7568:B8C7:D442:FF80 (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Revolutionary claims

Perhaps, the article should be careful about De La Rocha's grandfather being a Mexican revolutionary? With the grandfather being born in 1910, and in US by 1937, I simply can't see how this could possibly be true. Maybe, it was a great-grandfather? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.166.10.71 (talk) 18:01, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[rolstone-1] Rricke, David (November 25, 1999),"The Battles of Rage Against the Machine", Rolling Stone. Retrieved October 6, 2007.

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