Talk:Isabel Allende

The two Isabel Allendes

There should be an article about Isabel Allende, Salvador A.'s daughter, who is not identical with the famous author I.A.

She holds a seat in Chile's parliament, and was elected its president in March 2003.She also worked as a pilot for the U.S navy she has served our nation, theefore, deserves the gold medal that the dutchess or austria has awarded her with for her courages act. --zeno 23:45, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Cousin

"On September 11 that same year, her cousin was overthrown ..."

If Isabel Allende's father was a cousin of Salvador Allende, how can also Isabel be a cousin of Salvador Allende then?

According to "Vida y espiritus," the book by Isabel Allende Llona and Celia Correas Zapata, Tomás Allende Pesce de Bilbaire (Isabel Allende's father) was the cousin of Salvador Allende. This would make Isabel Allende the first cousin, once removed of Salvador Allende. --Susanjb 18:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Although Author Isabel Allende's own website claims that she is the cousin of President Salvador Allende,[1] and the section on her Childhood and Youth says her father and Salvador Allende were cousins, the section on her Adult Life refers to him as her uncle. Isabel Allende referred to him as "uncle" in an interview on her official website.[2] The same inconsistency appears on President Salvador Allende's Wikipedia page,[3] where the author Isabel Allende is referred to as his niece. The facts of this inconsistency need to be verified and clarified. Aramink 16:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Although Author Isabel Allende's own website claims that she is the cousin of President Salvador Allende,[4] and the section on her Childhood and Youth says her father and Salvador Allende were cousins, the section on her Adult Life refers to him as her uncle. Isabel Allende referred to him as "uncle" in an interview on her official website.[5] The same inconsistency appears on President Salvador Allende's Wikipedia page,[6] where the author Isabel Allende is referred to as his niece. The facts of this inconsistency need to be verified and clarified. Aramink 16:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone who is a daughter of a cousin would be a first cousin, once removed of her father's cousin. I've verified it in the recent newspaper article. (RossF18 17:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC))

However, as I did further looking into it, there seemed to be a variation from newspaper to newspaper and from website to website. There seems to be a consensus that Isabel's father was Salvador's cousin, which would make Isabel first cousin, once removed as mentioned previously. However, there are sources that refer to Salvador as her uncle. I've tried to clarify the dispute a bit but if it's still unclear, please help me out. Also, she might have said that he was her uncle just for the ease of it. It's much easier to say "oh, he was my uncle" or "I'm his niece" than to say, "oh, he was my first cousin, once removed" etc. At least that's my theory. There is also the possibility of cultural effect in many countries having younger people refer to their close family elders as uncle or auntie, even though they might be actually cousins several generations removed.--RossF18 23:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this is both a cultural and a lingual thing. In Latin American Spanish, at least (I make no claims as to that of Spain) there is no word to differentiate an uncle from an older cousin: both are "tio". Enchanting catalyst (talk) 20:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

In Spain we do have two different words: Tíos/primos segundos. Maybe somebody should write a note on the article, because as it is, saying that 'in Spanish it means something while in English it means something else', will not make any sense whatsoever to most people in Spain. 19:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

S.Allende's Dead

based on recent recent informations, it has been found out, that Salvador Allende definitely commited suicide, while the junta was besieging LA Moneda. This information is based on the old confirmation of his doctor and recent confirmation of S. Allende's bodyguard, who was the last man who had seen him.

--Upsala 11:58, 29 Aug 2005

Salvador Allende certainly killed himself, with a machine gun given him by Fidel Castro. It was terrible.

This is amply described in a book by Monica Gonzalez, La Conjura, Ediciones B, Santiago 2000. The book includes a copy of the coroner's report as well a report by his personal doctor, who found him with the top of his head blown off, rifle between his knees. (The cornoner's report also clarifies that he was NOT drunk as rightists claim, but was sober.)

dermota 15 Nov 2005

It has recently been stated, according to a report in a Colombian magazine (I forget which one), that Allende, seeing his position was hopeless, wanted to surrender, but that one of his Cuban advisers, wishing him to be seen as a martyr, killed him. Alloco1 01:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

That's nonsense... you can't be serious. --194.203.215.254 (talk) 16:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Lesbian?

Why does the article say she is a lesbian writer and then go on to talk it her current husband?

vandalism maybe?? --CesarCossio 01:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Must be vandalism. She has been married twice, she is a wife and mother, and there is no hint of any other liaisons in her life.Das Baz 16:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It could be confusion due to the fact the Allende is definatly a femenist writer. Perhaps that was misconstrued? Rekov

Peruvian??

if she was born in Peru why does it say she is Chilean?? i know she spent most of her life in Chile but shouldn't be "peruvian" instead of "chilean" ?? --CesarCossio 01:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Because she was the daughter of a Chilean ambassador. Children of diplomatic staff on foreign duty inherit the nationality of their parent (if the local law has a ius solis principle they could take the local nationality too, but the other one is guaranteed). baloo_rch 02:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Suplementary information: Chilean law recognises also the citizenship to children of Chilean parents. For example, current minister Ricardo Lagos Weber was born in the United States and i remember the case of a Chilean football player that was borned in Australia. baloo_rch 02:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

That is, born in Chile. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

To our peruvian friend Cesar: If you were born in an Airplane over the ocean, lets say, in a Lufthansa... is your nationality then Lufthansian? Sure silly, but maybe the correct level to the question ;D --194.203.215.254 (talk) 16:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

What matters to us is that she is known as a Chilean writer. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Grandfather's Age

The House of the Spirits article claims that her grandfather was 90 in 1981, while this one says 99. Which one is right?

The book by Mary Main agrees with this article. The lower figure is probably an error. Das Baz 16:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I set the age from 133 which seems rather unlikely to the age of 99 also given on the Spanish version.

The cause of Paula's death

Paula died not so much of her illness as of the improper medical treatment given her. The same can be said of George Washington and Alvin Smith. Das Baz 16:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The same can also be said of Abraham Lincoln, who died because the doctor treating him gave him whisky. Any doctor knows you dont give whisky or other liquids to an unconscious person. Rekov

Adult Life

Can someone confirm the name of the children's magazine, as I have my doubts it is called Genitals. But it may be?

That's vandalism. --RossF18 23:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

It was names Mampato. Here's the source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6drPnah_PE&feature=relmfu Yes, it's Youtube, but it's a biografical documentary by canalbio.com 189.173.44.63 (talk) 09:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Spanish or Latin American influence?

Spanish literature is that which is of Spanish origin. As Allende is not Spanish, the article should mention her influence on Latin-American literature, and not keep referring to her as a Spanish writer. DUH!Wuapinmon (talk) 01:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

She writes in Spanish, not Latin American and her influence is on the entire Spanish speaking world which is referred to as the Spanish world. Latin American literature is written in Spanish and her impact extends to everyone who reads the language, thus Spanish literature. Her being Latin American has nothing to do with who she influences. Just like someone like Mark Twain or Hemingway or Shakespeare made an impact on then entire English literature which includes every English speaker, including U.K. and Australia, so does Allende impacts everyone who can read Spanish originals (not that I'm comparing any particular author to another at this point so please do not zero in on this sentence to pick apart my completely different point). Also, please remain polite. Your "Duh" comment was not helpful and insulting. We appologize for offending you and forcing you resort to "DUH." Also, if you like to discuss it, please, let's do that. Don't just change it without discussing first. --RossF18 (talk) 03:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

P.S. and last time I checked, the Spanish that is spoken and written in Latin America is of Spanish origin, so the literatue would also be of Spanish origin. If you, on the other hand, trying to make a point that Spanish literature can only come from one country, Spain, we can discuss that point separately. But, Spanish origin extends to the entire Latin American Spanish speaking world (as distinguished from Latin American native american population authors). --RossF18 (talk) 03:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I do apologize for saying "DUH." Just because John Grisham writes in English, and is of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, does not make him an English author. Calling Allende a "Spanish" author is the same thing.Wuapinmon (talk) 23:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've since realized my folly (a few minutes after I posted in fact as evidenced by the current edit per your post).--RossF18 (talk) 03:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

"(I think it would be wise to mention . . .)" ???

I removed these two sentences from the article:

"(I think it would also be wise to mention here that her uncle Salvador Allende died during this military coup of 1973 under very controversial circumstances. Most believe that he was assasinated.)"

First, any "it would be wise to mention" comment belongs on the talk page, not in the article. Second, claims like "Most believe that he was assassinated" are virtually impossible to verify, even with an outside source. Third, this statement is at variance with the Wikipedia article Death of Salvador Allende. Fourth, it is of doubtful relevance to discuss in this article the extent to which the exact, unknown, cause of the fatal gunshot wound of the article's subject's first cousin once removed is believed to be assassination.Daqu (talk) 08:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Criticism Section

Can we have a page number for the following sentence's citation, please. Thanks.

Literary critic Harold Bloom concurs with Bolaño that Allende is a bad writer, and adds that she only reflects a determinate period.

The source provided is just the book - a page number for verification would be helpful, especially given the actual wording of the criticism. --RossF18 (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, the following quote has a couple of issues:

Of Bolaño, Allende said to El Clarín that she is honoured to be represented by him as a Chilean, although she remembered Bolaño regarding her as trash. In the same interview, Allende recognises that she has rarely had good criticism in Chile and that Chilean intellectuals "detest" her.

First, the link is either dead or requires subscription so there is no way to verify the quote in the first sentence. The second sentence is unsourced - and when someone says that someone else "detests" them, that's really something that should be sourced.

• [7] This is the link to that article of El Clarin. El Clarin does not require any membership. If I was you I would try again. Dentren | ^Talk 18:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks for fixing the link. The link initially had an error message. I wasn't trying to offend you. But what about the second sentence that has the "detests" in it - is it from the same article? Is it a quote?--RossF18 (talk) 18:43, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
    • It is quote, not it has been added in the referneces. Thanks for the comments, without you somebody would have maybe removed these paragraph due to "WP:Biography of living persons". Still i think the criticism section lacks structure, i should begin with the most general thing and then go on into details. Dentren | ^Talk 20:13, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Second, is “Chile es un país bélico por naturaleza” supposed to translate into "... honoured to be represented by him as a Chilean, although she remembered Bolaño regarding her as trash." The reason I ask is that there is a similar technique employed above this sentence, namely a Spanish version is provided and the English translated version. The first translation seems word for word, but in this case, “Chile es un país bélico por naturaleza” doesn't translate into "...honoured to be represented by him as a Chilean, although she remembered Bolaño regarding her as trash."--RossF18 (talk) 12:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

• “Chile es un país bélico por naturaleza” is the title of the article not the trnalation of the qoute. the quote has beend added into the citation now.Dentren | ^Talk 18:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Again, thanks for making the improvement. I had no way to know that "Chile es un país bélico por naturaleza" was the title of the article because before you fixed the link, I got an error message.--RossF18 (talk) 18:43, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Deletions of Jbmurray

Jbmurray recently deleted a large section of the literary criticm section because according to him, the source was "terrible." How is enotes.com - which provides a fairly good discription of the works and critism "terrible" but a source that is a deadlink/not accessable and a source that is non-verifable any better. By Jbmurray's reasoning, the entire Critism section aside from 2 or 3 lines should be deleted per being a "terrible" source. A source is a source and I happen to think that enotes.com is a good source. So, if Jbmurray disagrees, the least he could do is debate the issue before unilateral deletions.--RossF18 (talk) 12:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

• Per above, User:Dentren has now fixed the link that I couldn't assess. So, now the issue is just whether enotes.com qualifies as a valid source. I think it does - what's your argument that it doesn't, Jbmurray? --RossF18 (talk) 18:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

In addition, Jbmurray didn't even delete everything of the enotes.com citation - he/she left the first sentence as is - choosing to add "this is a terrible source" in the citations. If it's a terrible source, delete everything. If you think it's a terrible source, why leave something from the terrible source? I can only guess. I hope Jbmurray illuminates the reason for us. The only reason I can think of is that the deletions were of something that Jbmurray disagrees with while the quote that was kept was something that Jbmurray agrees with. Again, this is before Jbmurray has a chance to discuss anything, so hopefully he'll tell us the reasoning behind the deletions vs. keeping something from the same source and also comment on other sources that are just as "terrible" but were not deleted without discussion. --RossF18 (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

• Again, per User:Dentren I removed the comment about other sources, leaving only the enotes.com issue.--RossF18 (talk) 18:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I dont think that this >><< source is good or acceptable because of WP:SELFPUB. Where in the webpage does is the author of the citic mentioned? Is this author relevant is it a seflpublication? Dentren | ^Talk 20:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

For the multiple reasons why enotes.com is a terrible source, see WP:RS. In short, these are Cliffs Notes type study guides for undergraduate students who don't want to read the books in question, and they lack either authorship ("Items that are signed are preferable to unsigned articles") or (most importantly) any peer review. There has been so much legitimate scholarly material published about Allende, there is absolutely no reason to use this source. As to why I didn't cut everything out, frankly it's just because I didn't have time to rearrange and rewrite the first paragraph; but as the second paragraph relied wholly on enotes, it as easy enough to excise in its entirety. HTH. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Referneces

NPOV Problems

The current literary criticism section has a large NPOV problem. As I hope most of the editors understand - literary criticism is in no way shape or form means the normal meaning of "criticism", i.e., "you're bad." Literary criticism is more of an analysis of Allende's writing, both good and bad. At present, it would appear that everyone thinks that Allende is just a popular writer whose writing is trash and is like a “dying person.” I wish I was exaggerating. I hope no one’s telling me that there isn’t any writer or critic in the literary world who thinks that Allende’s writing is at least above a “dying person” level. I hope that there are some writers out there, both in Latin America and in the rest of the world who think well of Allende’s writing. Well, that needs to be included, because without some balance, the current section is NPOV. --RossF18 (talk) 22:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with this. Of course, NPOV doesn't mean that an article shouldn't say a writer is bad, if that is the critical consensus. It just means that articles should accurately reflect that scholarly consensus. And in Allende's case, though she does indeed have her critics, there are plenty who defend and even champion her work. That side of things should be reflected, too. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 23:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant. Of course, if everyone agreed that Allende was a bad writer, it wouldn't be NPOV - just scholarly consensus. But I don't think there is a consensus on that point. I've tried moving some sentences from the "Career" section from the "Latino Leaders" source which provides some positive opinion of her work, but I'm not sure how authoratative a critique that is - as the statements appear more fan based. I hope we can find more statements from her fellow authors and literary critics (from both sides). --RossF18 (talk) 00:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Criticism section integration

It's been said that per WP:CRITS, criticism sections should be integrated into the article. Do you think that is meant for just politicans and would authors be different given that it's more likely that their criticism sections are more literary in nature as opposed to political criticism? If the two types of criticism sections (in my opinion) are not different in nature, then we should really start to integrate the criticism into the article itself. Just putting it out there for discussion.--RossF18 (talk) 20:04, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

There is all sorts of idiocy afoot in this article, with vandals hitting it almost daily it seems. Can we get maybe a little protection? --24.130.4.130 (talk) 18:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

That sounds good, but can you point to specific vandalism that's repeated?--RossF18 (talk) 22:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Citizenship date

In the introduction it says "Having adopted American citizenship in 2003". Later, in the Current Life section, it says "In 1995, Allende obtained United States citizenship". Which one is correct? Malakin CM (talk) 03:42, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Spanish language

It is important to amke it clear to our readers that she writes in Spanish to avoid our readers being confused, as I certainyl would have been if I hadnt known the author, reverting this is simply incomprehensible, please explain. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 15:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

2003 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.126.125 (talk) 03:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Quote from interviews_articles.htm

I've tagged a "block quote" with {{Failed verification}}. The article says that IA "is quoted as saying" these words, but actually they are only a summary of part of the cited page. The quote either needs a new source, or this part of the article needs to be reworked. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Harold, Harry and Isabel

So Harold Bloom says Isabel Allende will be forgotten? In 2005, he predicted Harry Potter would be forgotten in a couple of years. Oh, what an astute predictor. I predict Harold Bloom will be a bad and distant memory while we happy multitudes will still be enjoying J. K. Rowling and Isabel Allende in centuries and millennia to come. Das Baz, aka Erudil 17:15, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Top Latinos

This list is widely cited in the article. We should be able to find an online version. The 2012 version is here (http://latinoleaders.com/2012/10/24/the-101/) - warning attempts to run some unrestricted java stuff. Rich Farmbrough, 02:45, 20 March 2013 (UTC).

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Reference 10, “Review: The undefeated: A life in writing” from The Guardian contains incorrect text, “Isabel Allende website” at the end, which is in fact a link to The Guardian article. Wikipedia References have gotten too complicated for me to edit.

Soul of a Woman

Soul of a Woman (Mujeres del alma mía) seems to be the latest book. --katpatuka (talk) 14:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Chilean vs sources

The header has this: "Chilean [5][6]". Of those [5] quoted in the sources section tells only about her American citizenship. If that is the only reference from that source I don't see the relevance. 213.28.228.216 (talk) 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

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There is a need for more authors of color when looking at the impact of Allende on people of color Dayaperez (talk) 18:54, 28 March 2023 (UTC)dayaperez