Talk:List of The Adventures of Tintin characters

Intro

Anyone else thinks the intro is extremely clumsy and weasel-worded. Do list pages really need more than a functional intro? Mezigue (talk) 13:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

It certainly is quite selective in its sourcing, taking the most extreme (reliable) source instead of the middle ground. The second source in the intro doesn't seem to be available anymore? (The website is, but the specific article not). Fram (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Where does Allan (Thompson) first appear in the Tintin Universe?

In the article Allan Thompson is said to be originally Haddock's first mate (In the Crab with the Golden Claws). However in the English translations he appears as Captain of the "Sereno", a smuggling ship in the Red Sea in the Cigars of the Pharaoh. Chronologically Cigars comes before Golden Claws in the chronology of the English translations. Is that true in the other translations and in the original Belgian version? I have not corrected the original since I am not sure that what is shown in the English translations is universally true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.221.152.231 (talk) 02:22, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

In Finnish, it's also Allan Thompson in Cigars of the Pharaoh. Someone (with better english than I have) should correct the article. 193.66.64.147 (talk) 15:57, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Gibbons

Where is Gibbons in the Red Sea Sharks? In the Dutch edition he is not mentioned anywhere. Is he in the English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcjlf (talk • contribs) 14:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Haddock's hetitage

Reading through the page it states that Sir Francis Haddock was a member of the French Royal navy, yet in the comic and 90's animated series the Unicorn is siad to have been part of the royal fleet belonging to King Charles (I or II depending on the source.) At least that is the case in the english translations. Was Haddock's heritage changed when translated from French to English or is this page simply wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.149.152 (talk) 02:00, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I thought captain Haddock was British but Scottish rather than English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:21B:D600:226:8FF:FEDC:FD74 (talk) 10:18, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Media copyright questions

[The following discussion has been copied from Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#List of The Adventures of Tintin characters for ease of reading here.] Prhartcom (talk) 23:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello. What is your advice in this situation, please? The article is List of The Adventures of Tintin characters and the problem is this article really cannot be illustrated except for the single image in the infobox, yet it should be additionally illustrated for GA standards. Therefore, do you think it may it be illustrated with as many as three additional copyrighted images from the Hergé Foundation? (Three because: One at Main characters section, one at Villains section, and one at Supporting characters section.) Thank-you for your answer. Prhartcom (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

This is a rather gray area. It would clearly be unacceptable to use a non-free image for every character. But in my opinion, it would be acceptable to have a total of four non-free images in an article of that size and level of detail, so long as the content of the images are adequately discussed in sourced commentary. Others may think that four is too many; there are widely divergent opinions on the application of WP:NFCC in this sort of situation. – Quadell ^(talk) 19:37, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank-you Quadell, I can tell you grasp the difficulty here as I do: to find the reasonable balance between the needs of WP:NFCC and the needs of this large article. Perhaps I will proceed with one image for each of the three sections for now, and I hope others will share their thoughts also. Thanks again. Prhartcom (talk) 20:26, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

One for protagonist and one for villains is reasonable as long as we're talking cast groups like the current image on that page. I'm not sure if you need one for the supporting cast, though it likely depends on what images you are proposing to use. If you get one that captures a good # of them, sure, but if you can only do like 3-4 of that list, it's probably not appropriate. Do you have links to the proposed images you'd like to use? --MASEM (t) 20:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank-you for your thoughts Masem and Quadell; Masem, I hear what you are saying. I have uploaded to my own server the following images for your consideration: [1] [2] [3]

(Main characters, Villains, Supporting characters). I think I need to write some encyclopedic prose at the start of each of the three sections that refers to the actions taking place in the images. Prhartcom (talk) 01:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, can you use that current image in any fashion? For example, that looks to capture many of the protagonists (caution: my understanding of Tintin is primarily from the Spielberg movie and its passing in pop culture so) with a few recurring, so that would seem to be unnecessary to include [4] which (as I believe) has 5 of those all pictured in the main cast. The other two seem reasonable, and understanding that like other serial works, you're likely not getting all the villains or supporting cast to appear in common shots but any promo material that might do this would be good. If you can't, those last two are fair to include. --MASEM (t) 02:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Appalling history mess

The history of this article is Screwed Up Big-Time. If you want the full sordid details, see User:Scott/Notes/How not to manage article history. Good luck to anyone wanting to sort that out. — Scott • talk 11:06, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, what the hell. I'm going to fix it. Expect some transient disruption. — Scott • talk 13:37, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay. The old history of this article that's in fact the result of two incompatible articles being history-merged is at /merged history. I'm going to undertake the tedious process of separating them from each other. It won't be very fast work, so don't hold your breath. I'll report back when I'm done. — Scott • talk 13:54, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Why would you do this? Why not just improve the article? Mezigue (talk) 14:07, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know which of those questions is the more silly. — Scott • talk 16:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Finished. The history of the former article List of characters in The Adventures of Tintin is back at its original location and no longer incorrectly entangled with that of this one. — Scott • talk 16:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

How were my questions dumb? You appear to have completely deleted the article. Mezigue (talk) 17:04, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Seconds after I finished unmerging, I realized that I could also fix the cut and paste move that was how this article was created. So I did. You obviously loaded it in the middle.

You're welcome. — Scott • talk 17:11, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Scott, for correcting the history of this article. I never knew it's history had been corrupted like that and I appreciate that you fixed it.

This article has another problem nowadays: It is too long. I have trimmed it down considerably over the years but then find myself adding more missed characters to it. Prhartcom (talk) 14:26, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Castro vs. Alcazar

The addition <quote>The names Castro and Alcazar are both translatable to 'castle' or 'fortress'</quote> was reverted, likely in good faith, but I see no reason for the removal. The information is worthwhile, and relevant. One could say a reference is wanting, but that can be indicated in ways more subtle; and anyway the same could be said for half the statements on this page. Which is why I took the liberty to revert the removal. Discussion welcome! Jan olieslagers (talk) 19:54, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

That's fine. The IP that added it didn't say what language they were referring to and I did not find the answer upon a cursory check, so I had reverted it. There is an awful amount of WP:OR in this article so what's one more. Prhartcom (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, thanks for not going to war over this petty detail. I will gladly agree not everything is solidly founded round here, but frankly we can be a bit more tolerant on the lighter subjects, can't we? otoh that the language is S^hw^ha^hhSpanish ought to have been obvious. btw You might be interested to learn about the Siege of the Alcázar you will then remember it is Spanish! Nothing but good, Jan olieslagers (talk) 21:29, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Sure, no war here. My cursory check should have gone on a bit longer; I found it now, here and here. I don't happen to agree that we should go easy on the lighter subjects or even that Tintin is a lighter subject; there are dozens of critical analysis books on my shelf about it. That's part of my problem: I need to re-read them all, searching for mention of characters from the books so that this article finally gets a WP:reliable source. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 21:44, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Alcazar may be inspired by the siege of the Alcazar of Toledo in 1936 by Republican forces due to the Spanish Civil War. Castro would have been unknown at the time of The Broken Ear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.108.27.26 (talk) 10:07, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Tharkey

Today I got in contact with a couple of people from [Hergé Genootschap] because I saw that Moulinsart had a small model on offer that shows Tharkey. As a mountaineering historian I've been working on a translation of the memoires of Ang Tharkay, one of the most famous sherpas in the history of mountaineering. The English edition of the book will be published this month, check here [The Memoir of Ang Tharkay]. As you can see on the French page of the Tintin characters [Liste des personnages des Aventures de Tintin]you will see that Tharkey is based on the sirdar that was a member of the 1950 expedition that climbed Annapurna, and I learned that Hergé talked to Maurice Herzog who was the first to summit this 8000m peak - the first Eight-thousander to be summited, BTW. Ang Tharkay was landlord of Tenzing Norgay who summited Everest together with Ed Hillary in 1953. Sorry for my odd way of adding links in here. I've been off Wikipedia for too long and only make the occasional edit, only where I deem it fit. Feel free to improve the links that I put in here. Qwrk (talk) 21:07, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Qwrk, this is indeed fascinating. Let me look more into it. The last thing we want to do is add information based on what we wish happened in the past, rather than what actually happened. Notice the Liste des personnages des Aventures de Tintin article does not cite a source for this claim, so it is possible they are revising history. I have a large collection of Tintin material written by all the world's "Tintinologists", and if anyone knows the answer to this, they would. That is with one exception: With your expertise on mountaineering, perhaps you can locate a reliable source in your local library that provides this fact you are asserting, which the Tintinologists may have missed but the mountaineering community found and documented. Please check for the existence of this in your community and I will check in the Tintin community. Best, Prhartcom (talk) 21:23, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

The President of the Dutch [Hergé Genootschap] sent me an article today, but I fear you'll not be able to read it. Feel free to send me your email address and I'll happily forward you these two interesting PDFs that show original photographic material from the 1950 Annapurna expedition and what Hergé finally made of it by using these as templates that appeared in Tintin in Tibet. Qwrk (talk) 21:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Qwrk, I have sent you that email and look forward to reading the material. Prhartcom (talk) 22:31, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Prhartcom, you should have two PDFs sitting in your inbox right now and for your convenience I have CC'd both gentlemen of the Dutch Tintin Society with whom I've been in contact. Enjoy :-) Qwrk (talk) 06:45, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Helpful to list each character's said nationality

also good to keep in mind the bowler-hatted Thompson and Thomson characters are named Dupond and Dupont in the Belgium French-language original. And that despite the bowler hats and English re-lastnaming, Thompson and Thomson are never openly said to be British(?) in the English Tin tin translations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:21B:D600:226:8FF:FEDC:FD74 (talk) 10:26, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the nationalities of all characters whose nationality is explicit in the books is already cited. If you see any missing, feel free to add them. Mezigue (talk) 12:19, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Rascar Capac…

There is no confusion in the book about what happened to the “seemingly resurrected” mummy, as the article suggests. It is destroyed by the ball lightning, and the later appearance in the dream is only a nightmare. This is borne out by the fact that the nightmare mummy still wears the grave-goods left behind in the cabinet, and we know for certain that the bracelet is in the possession of Calculus. No suggestion that the mummy has been reanimated in anyway, not even by the magic of the Incas. Jock123 (talk) 19:06, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Müsstler ?

Is this name Belgian-French original ? Or in other words was the name-combination Herge's idea, or a British translator's ? There is no clear source. Boeing720 (talk) 02:58, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Original. Opera hat (talk) 14:02, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

The Sondonesians

Why arent The Sondonesians under the antagonist section? They (most of the time) obey the orders of Rastapopoulos and even almost kill Snowy. I get that they are misinformed, but the same goes for Spalding and those pilots Niels de Groot (talk) 09:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

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