Talk:Hunter College High School

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Hunter College High School article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2

Schools High‑importance

	Schools portal This article is related to WikiProject Schools, a collaborative effort to write quality articles about schools around the world. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page.SchoolsWikipedia:WikiProject SchoolsTemplate:WikiProject Schoolsschool articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
	Reasoning for assessment: Reassessing to C/High. Please ensure that the entire article is referenced with sufficient footnotes/in-line citations. See Category:GA-Class school articles and Category:FA-Class school articles for examples of relatively well-sourced articles; most of them also utilize citation templates like {{cite web}}. Certain sections may need some copyediting, cleanup, or reorganization: the Carnival Mascot section, for instance, seems a little random. Once the article is completely referenced, I recommend requesting a Wikipedia:Peer review Good luck, --Jh12 (talk) 16:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New York City Low‑importance

	New York City portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Archives

/Archive 1 /Archive 2

Record Annecdotes

I think that it would be a good idea to provide more sources for this article by recording anecdotes from various school atendees and alumni.Denting5 (talk) 23:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What can we do to make this page more encyclopedic?

I think we need to do something with the alumni section, and perhaps add more citations. Bmackenty (talk) 18:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

School traditions

I removed the specific information about school traditions. It doesn't strike me as "encyclopedia worthy" I think it's enough to just mention these events. Bmackenty (talk) 14:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be very opinionated information in the Senior Walkout section. Somebody with better knowledge of this event should revise the section. apricot50 11:36, 16 January 2012

School Culture

I'd like to remove school culture. Again, how are hang-outs worthy of an encyclopedia entry? Maybe we could keep this section in if we included a lot more information about our culture, and cited it? Please comment. Bmackenty (talk) 14:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hearing no objections, I've removed school culture. I'd be happy to discuss this edit. Bmackenty (talk) 13:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sports

This probably needs a re-write as well. I think championships are worthy of mention, but perhaps a bit to much detail? Bmackenty (talk) 13:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I added some references to the sports section, and removed some stuff I couldn't find references for. Here's the big question: championships. Should we have such detailed information, or just list the teams? Bmackenty (talk) 16:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

alumni section

I changed the alumni so it is a sortable table. I might make the "notable" part a sortable category as well. eek. Many of our alums have no references? Bmackenty (talk) 15:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

discussion about Wall Street Journal ranking

Hello user 74.4.24.34. Before you make statements like "(This is NOT what the WSJ rankings say, and those rankings are meaningless anyway. So what if everyone went to Yale and Brown from a school? What do they teach you there?!)"

It is wholly inappropriate for you to make changes and edits to our page without discussing them first. I welcome questions, debate, and a frank exchange of ideas. However, for you to make these changes without any conversation isn't very good wiki-citizenship. :-)

Let's take a look at this, shall we?

The first source is from: http://webreprints.djreprints.com/wsj_tuition_040104.pdf

This source seems to be confirm the statement that HCHS sends a high proportion of students to the ivy league.

The second source is http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-COLLEGE0711-sort.html

This source also factually supports the sentence. This sentence IS factual. I'm open to discussion to change it, if you'd like to discuss it first. Bmackenty (talk) 14:41, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

new principal and notice

Dr. Coppola announced her resignation at a faculty meeting last week. Dr. Fisher will be the acting replacement. I am leaving the employ of the campus schools, and will take a less active role in maintaining this page. I welcome other people in the HCHS community to become an editor! Bmackenty (talk) 15:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Senior Mascots

I added several Senior Mascots to this section of the page, particularly in the '60s and '70s, based on what I could piece together from the Alumni Facebook group. 155.47.181.21 (talk) 20:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Student Body Diversity

Has there already been a discussion of the increasingly unrepresentitive nature of the school's student body? Perhaps we ought to add one. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 06:49, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Avril Haines

According to numerous reliable media sources (for example: 1 2 3) it appears that Avril Danica Haines, class of 1987, is about to become the first woman to be Deputy Director of the CIA. —Mark Dominus (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alumni

Some of the alumni -- who don't have wp articles, and don't have independent reliable source refs -- need supporting independent reliable source refs (at minimum), or they are subject to deletion. --Epeefleche (talk) 09:14, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What

"Dense novels" are mentioned. This might be vandalism. I am not sure what they are, if it is not. Is someone trying to be funny? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.48.128 (talk) 15:21, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Hunter College High School. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/20100411232057/http://shooting.teamusa.org:80/athletes/sandra-fong to http://shooting.teamusa.org/athletes/sandra-fong

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 22:16, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alum Katie Spencer

The following was added to the alumni section. She certainly seems talented but really doesn't seem to be notable enough yet for the purpose of this list. If the list gets too long it looses meaning. I have deleted the edit. "Katie Spencer (class of 2004) – singer / keyboardist for Jesse McCartney, Grammy nominated, actor, TV producer"JustinReilly (talk) 13:37, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Hunter College High School. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060409144917/http://webreprints.djreprints.com/wsj_tuition_040104.pdf to http://webreprints.djreprints.com/wsj_tuition_040104.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 23:20, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 9 external links on Hunter College High School. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 18:47, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

senior steps

I think we can keep this. The entire section is unsourced anyway, and is likely to be that way for any school, so either we dump everything or not pick and choose. (I'm ok with either option.)--regentspark (comment) 16:28, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On reflection, I junked it. --regentspark (comment) 17:25, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alum Mollena Williams Hass

Removed “Bondage & Discipline and S&M educator” Williams Hass from alumni section due to, IMO, insufficient notability. She seems talented but really doesn't seem to be notable enough yet for the purpose of this list. If the list gets too long it looses some meaning. JustinReilly (talk) 02:14, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In general, having a Wikipedia page seems to be sufficient notability to make it onto this list, or any list of a high school's alumni. Perhaps Williams-Haas is not notable enough for Wikipedia (though the number of independent sources makes this unlikely to me), but that is a question for her page and not for us as arbiters. It seems that Williams-Haas has been judged notable enough for Wikipedia, and as such she should not be removed from the list. 42Q7 (talk) 23:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Williams-Haas has created and appeared in multiple movies, won awards, and written published articles and essays. She also has a Wikipedia paeg, which I agree suggests sufficient notability. I see no reason why she should be removed from the list of alumni. MoonSewer (talk) 21:06, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I removed her again; forgot that I had started this talk before; wasn’t alerted of comments and reverts for some reason.

Though very accomplished, Williams Haas does not seem quite “notable” enough within its meaning in the Wikipedia guidelines for a page.

Regardless of whether that’s the case or not, in the interest of making the alum list at least somewhat manageable and also in line with other similar pages on Wikipedia, I really think that her name should be removed for now. Unfortunately or fortunately, HCHS has an absolutely incredible number of extraordinarily accomplished and notable alums and unfortunately not all of them can be listed. She has notability within the kink world, but not vis a vis other alums of Hunter at this time in my strong opinion. Numerous people who are extremely accomplished have been removed by other editors from this list who were and are more notable. Cheers JustinReilly (talk) 12:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Diana Bianchi notability

@Magnolia677 reverted my edit adding Diana Bianchi to alums for not being notable; IMO she’s one of the more notable on the list; first female to serve as “the nation’s pediatrician” is, if not historic, certainly notable (plus 300 papers published; done a good amount of pioneering/notable bench research, frmr Harvard Med Prof, bigwig at Tufts Hospital, lifetime achievement award from Stanford, etc.) JustinReilly (talk) 06:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recent IP edits

@Johnnie Bob, I noticed you recently reverted this set of changes by an IP address. I have a COI with CUNY, so I'm refraining from editing this article directly. However, I do not see issues with the following changes:

Changing "Hunter" to "Hunter College High School". As the IP user said, the term "Hunter" in itself can refer either to Hunter College, HCHS, or Hunter College Elementary School (in the same building as HCHS).
Removing the word "excellent" from an external link's title. I think this can just be removed anyway per WP:NPOV; we shouldn't be describing external links as "excellent" in Wikipedia's voice.
Removing a graduation speech that was used as a source. This seems to be correct; the student's graduation speech doesn't seem to be a high-quality WP:RS.
Resolving a citation-needed tag. The source they added did support that info.

While I don't agree with all of the edits (for example, this could've been updated rather than removed), I think at least several of them were helpful. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Epicgenius on all the points. I've added a NYT source for the brick prison so that it is well sourced.RegentsPark (comment) 01:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Epicgenius, agreed ... I did have pangs of remorse after I took the action. Though not defending my action, I was hoping that the IP contributor would have opened a discussion thread by now, making the communication easier, but that wasn't the way it turned out. Interestingly, it was when I saw the removal of the student's speech that I decided to revert the whole chain of changes, invoking wp:consensus, before "more damage was done". As it turns out, this student's speech played a role in the the school's reforming of its alleged discriminatory and profit-motivated admission procedures, and since sources exist that support this, I believe it is worth adding those sources and keeping it in the article. I did note in my edit summary that some of the IP user's changes were appropriate, so I think that the best action at the moment would be to restore that subset of IP user's changes, and provide an explanation as to why the student's speech is important, with sources. I will work on this after I get a night's sleep ... Johnnie Bob (talk) 02:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]