Talk:Sanda (sport)

Dwanyewest deletions with no explaination

Jason yee is the fist American to win a medal in international competition and has trained more US Team members and winning at international events than any other US coach. His inclusing included CITATION. Similarly you removed Rudi Ott, Max Chen, James Franshier, etc. All had proper citation and are established major US based players. Please DO NOT delete them on a whim Nysanda (talk) 04:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

The US really isn't all that important in the overall development of Sanda. Seriously this article completely missed the actual development of Sanda as a sport, including its early founders Mei Huizhi and Li Baoru in the late 1970s.

^ 108.41.56.240 (talk) 07:30, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Delete important link?

International Wushu Federation is INTERNATIONAL sanctioning body and IKF is US national sanctioning body. If you remove them you might as well remove super bowl from football entry

Fine with that. Then what can you about the other two links eh? It is really clear that those two are just promotional links that are promotioning a club/school, which is against Wikipedia's policy WP:EL.

In case you did not see, there was TWO identical IKF links... so i just removed one...so watch carefully before you start accusing indirectly anybody. Jolenine (talk) 03:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Merging with San Da

See Talk:San Da for why this page needs to be combined with San Da in some way. --Aesopian 15:27, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Famous San Da player

Should include Salihov Muslim from Russia. He is the reigning world champion at 80kg and has defeated 4 top Chinese fighters from different weight categories (including one the Chinese champion at 90kg) to clinch the 2006 Sanda "Wangzhongwang" (king of kings) title. In my opinion, Salihov Muslim perhaps is the best Sanda fighter in the world right now regardless of weight categories. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.118.54.193 (talk) 20:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_martial_art add yourself!

Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_martial_art

Sonnon as famous player

Sonnon is not anywhere near the league of the fighters mentioned in the article, his presence is irrelevent in this context. He has only one confirmed San Da fight in his career. HolJah (talk) 03:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistent naming of the subject

At the start, there should be clarification of naming, explaining San Shou vs San Da. It's apparently describing the same thing, so the rest should really just use one or the other name, instead of, for example, "Sanshou/da", "San Shou/San Da", etc. 71.164.213.197 (talk) 03:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Why is the article named "san shou"? "Sanda" is the newer name under which this Combat Sport/Martial Art is known nowadays in the world. It started with "San Da", then got a name change into "San Shou" and was changed a few years ago back into "Sanda". The name "San Shou" is still around, but it is the old name! Also there are specialised uniforms to enter Sanda tournements http://lifestylekungfu.com/wp-content/uploads/sanda.jpg with one opponent in a red outfit and the other one in a black outfit. The picture with this article is outdated.

Media Appearance in Video Games

A Mortal Kombat character by the name Kenshi uses San Shou as a fighting style. Emc2trooper (talk) 03:02, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Names of substyles of Sanda? No verification outside this article

Yundong Sanda (Ammy/Pro) (Sport) Pingmin Sanda (Self-Defense) Junshi Sanda (Militairy)

While these styles exist (or at least the sport and militairy version), the names used in the wiki article are nowhere else found on the internet and there isn't a link to source material.

Now is it Fántǐ Sanda (Self-Defense) instead of Pingmin Sanda (Self-Defense)? Once and for all, there's no Self-Defense form of Sanda! And again the WC/WT/VC/VT fanboys have mentioned their style in the "self-defense Sanda" section. I will again delete that section, since: a) Pingmin Sanda or Fántǐ Sanda are not the correct names for "self-defense Sanda" b) "self-defense Sanda" does NOT exists — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.7.177.81 (talk) 08:13, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Removed Wing Chun out of the text: original text: "it contains the fighting techniques of all the Chinese martial arts, from Wing Chun to all hundreds forms of kung-Fu" to new text: "it contains the fighting techniques synthesized out of all the hundreds of styles of Chinese martial arts."

REASON: - SanDa was developed from CMAs under the supervision of the Chinese Communistic Party, using the knowledge of the development of SAMBO under the Russian Communistic Party. Therefor the fighting techniques were distilled out of the CMAs to create a new hybrid art, namely SanDa with different "rulesets" (Sport and Militairy) - Wing Chun techniques aren't very prominent in Sanda (techniques synthesized out of Shuai jiao, Chin-Na, Hung Gar, Baji Quan and Northern Shaolin are more prominent), so mentioning only Wing Chun seems more like a marketingploy than a fact.

I removed the "Pingmin sanda" (self-defense)part, because this form does not exists, there's only a sport version (ammy and pro ruleset) and a militairy version. Both do not use the names "Yundong" or "Junshi" before the name Sanda.

Technique or martial art

The write-up in this article is unclear to me as there seems to be contradictions. Is sanshou considered to be it's own martial art or a component/technique of martial arts such as taijiquan? If it's the latter, then the martial art infobox will have to be changed to Template:Infobox martial art term according to WikiProject Martial arts. Note that the other infobox does not include famous practitioners or parenthood. Thanks. ~ InferKNOX (talk) 21:00, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

• Sanshou is a component martial art of Competitive Wushu. [1] ComputerJA (talk) 22:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I read an re-read your statement and that of the IWUF several times, but I'm afraid that I'm still not quite understanding if it's one, the other, or both, as the statements seemingly agree all the options. ~ InferKNOX (talk) 05:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry. English is not my first language.

This is what I understand about Sanshou: in Wushu, there are two disciplines: Taolu and Sanshou (the competitive aspect of Wushu). Therefore, it cannot be considered its own martial art, but rather a component of a larger one. Here's a magazine that says that Sanshou "is considered as much a part of wushu as are the flashy forms demonstrated at tournaments [Taolu]" (pg. 35) [2] I wouldn't say that Sanshou is simply a "technique." It's a martial art that forms part of Wushu. ComputerJA (talk) 06:12, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem, thank you for explaining again. Yes, that is also how I understand it. I know of taijiquan, so I know that in taijiquan, sanshou is a component. It is normally competitive, but can also be used for training. The article seems to speak of sanshou as a whole martial art of it's own though, so I thought it might be both a component and a full martial art. Alright, so unless it is contested that sanshou is only a component martial art, I'm going to hide the martial art type box and replace it with a martial art term box, which is made for terms/techniques/components of martial arts, such as sanshou. ~ InferKNOX (talk) 20:18, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Looking into it a bit further, it seems to me that sanda is more of a martial art and sanshou is more of a martial art component, but they're so closely related that they have been put as a single article. I think this page should rather be called Sanda, with sanshou mentioned in it, though, but I won't pursue a page move. I'll leave the martial art infobox and add a language infobox. ~ InferKNOX (talk) 17:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Can this be a possible reference of military sanshou?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJceRhxnqnc This video maybe useful as a reference of military sanshou. At the beginning of the video, the introduction says the video is a demonstration of the most basic moves and can be used as a supplementary video for the combat training of the police schools. Btw, it contains many moves which are illegal in Sanshou sports. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.205.221.152 (talk) 05:39, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Revise origin of Sanda

"It was originally used by the Kuomintang at the first modern military academy in Whampoa in the 1920s.[7]" There is no evidence of the above, the Guomindang promoted the practice of Chinese martial arts yet is was based on traditional styles and not what we know know as Sanda which is a modern version. (https://zhongguowuxue.com/2018/02/10/the-martial-arts-of-the-peoples-liberation-army/). The term Sanshou was used during the 1920s to 1930s and not Sanda (Journal of Chinese Martial Studies winter 2011, Issue 4 page 78). As for Whoampoa there is little information about what type of combat training was practiced during the time in Guangzhou, some pictures and a translated manual published in 1928 by the Whoampoa Academy are all based on Jukenjutsu (https://zhongguowuxue.com/2017/03/23/japanese-martial-arts-in-russia-the-creation-of-sambo-and-sino-russian-cooperation-at-whoampoa/). The combat training of the military academy when it moved to Nanjing was based on Xignyiquan (The Xingyiquan of the Chinese Army, Rover D., Hon Huen, C. 2008). Similarly there is no evidence that Sambo was used to develop Chinese military combat training (Cherepanov, A. (1964). Notes from a Military Advisor in China: From the history of the First Revolutionary Civil War (1924 – 1927). Willbur, C. M., & How, J. L.-y. (1989). Missionaries of Revolution Soviet Advisers and Nationalist China 1920-1927. Studies of the East Asian Institute Columbia University.).

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Zhang Weili

I added her to the list of famous practitioners but it was removed and the person who removed it asked if she won any Sanda tournaments. According to this article Weili won the Hebei Province sanda championship several times and was selected by the Jiangsu Province sanda team before he suffered an injury that forced her to retire from fighting competition even though according to her it wasn't a serious injury and could have been easily cured if the medical staff had used some advanced methods. That being said, she uses the side kick a lot in her bouts, which is a move regularly used in Sanda so it's still plays a role in her career.Godaiger (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Seriously this article completely missed the actual development of Sanda as a sport, including its early founders Mei Huizhi and Li Baoru in the late 1970s. Why is information on Chinese martial arts so poor? Like article lacks basic knowledge and detail of the sport's origins and spin off to developments in North America, which is not important in the development of Sanda. 108.41.56.240 (talk) 07:28, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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