Talk:Afro-Cubans

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List of Famous Afro-Cubans

Help me compile this list. Thanks WikiFamily. RemoTheDog (talk) 23:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Timba

In the lower portion of the article, timba is listed as belonging to a genre that originated outside of Cuba. It should be noted that timba is native to Cuba, but was influenced by other musical forms.

The statement that Rap and Reggueton are usually associated with Cubans / Afro Cubans is highly inaccurate. There most likely are Cuban contrbutions to both of these musical forms but Cubans really cannot be credited with their invention or advancement.

Rap is generally associated with non-spanish speaking African Ameicans from inner cities in the United States. Reggueton is usually associated with Puerto Ricans and is generally agreed to be a an offshoot of rap.

Original research Additions

A user has added the below paragraph to this page a number of times;

The phenomenon of referring Latinos to their racial background, particularly by adding the term afro to the front of any Latino country, is becoming increasingly more common due to the perceptions and beliefs of the Western/American society and this in no way or form is reflected from the views of Latino societies. This reference which has only been recently used in mainstream information is due to many and various reasons. Partly because this is a way for the underprivileged African-descendants population to empower themselves against the dodgy two way governments of most Latino countries that is, the majority White/European descendant rich upper-class with no real middle class instead by world standards would be considered lower class poor Amerindian and African-descendant class of whom which live in their homeland Latino countries. Partly because it has become socially 'cool' to be black or of African ancestry in today's Western/American society due to increased exposure of black artists impact on the music industry and the social segregation in which some chose to display, particularly gangsta rappers in referring to themselves and other African-descendants as a double-standard term being nigga. Somehow this viewpoint has entered the minds of Latino youths with African ancestry and has been in return adopted by a percentage of these Latinos. This also could be due to many reasons like as a way to rebel or create a sense of uniqueness. There are many more reasons why the term of AfroLatino has surfaced but it should be known that this phrase in no way reflects the viewpoint of Latino culture

Unfortunately it cannot be accepted on wikipedia, because it relays the views of an editor rather than relies on any academic or acceptable sources. Could the contributor please examine the following pages which contain wikipedia policies for future reference WP:NOT, WP:NOR and WP:V.--Zleitzen 08:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Language

The Language section is unsupported, intentionally vague, and reeks of political bias. What does class have to do with ethnic variations of a common Cuban dialect? This section should be expanded and supported with actual research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.217.222 (talk) 02:45, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Haitian Influence

I did attempt to correct the Haitian section, but the truth is that the Haitian connection is *extremely* not in line with fact or history. Blacks in Cuba have an identity that did not need the bolstering suggested in this article. There not as many Haitian Creole speakers or descendants of Haitians as indicated in the article. It is quite an exaggeration, actually, perhaps written by an enthusiast of Haitian culture. Afro-Cubans far outnumber Afro-Haitians and their descendants in Cuba, and the preservation of Yourba liturgical language is due to Afro-Cuban groups, not Afro-Haitians, who have more of a Vodun (not Yoruba/Lucumi) liturgy (although it is similar to the Palo Monte religion in Cuba, but Palo did not come from Haiti rather from Africa). This page is in need of a desperate clean-up.

Afro-Caucasian

The addition of the category "Afro-Caucasian" is ridiculous and misleading. Besides that fact that many anthropologists would take umbrage with the term Caucasian itself, this page is about black Cubans, not Cuba's other demographics. There is no reason to insert a link to "Afro-Caucasian," which itself is yet another inaccurate racial list that for which Wikipedia is famous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noopinonada (talk • contribs) 22:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the nonsensical Afro-Caucasian link once again. This is discussion about Cubans who are black and their African-derived culture. If you'd like to initiate a racial inference by inserting a link, Sluzzelin, there are plenty of other "racial" pages in Wikipedia for you to expound upon mulattoes, quadroons, zambos, Afro-Latin Americans, African-Americans, etc. We are focusing on the African element in Cuba here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noopinonada (talk • contribs) 00:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

hmmm

this article comes off as quite racist... please edit to reflect neutral mindedness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.101.49 (talk) 04:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Population undercount

I feel that afro-cubans have been undercounted, I've heard that at least 50% of cubans were black or mulatto, not 20%Domsta333 (talk) 04:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, give us a reference that we can check, and let's have a look. Franamax (talk) 04:39, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

African peoples

The article needs to have a complete list of the African peoples who are represented among Afro-Cubans. Gringo300 (talk) 20:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Economist Quote

Hardly an unbiased source, it sees the islands population as "mostly black". Assuming the entire islands population is essentially either black or white or some admixture, this becomes true under a one drop or anything that isn't "white" is "black" formulation which I won't say is racist since it may only be unconsciously so. From what I've been able to gather the current content at the top of the article is factual, with about 11% identifying as black, 35+% as white, and everybody else some admixture of the two. Implicitly the Economist author refuses to acknowledge that the majority population of Cuba can choose to define itself as neither white nor black. Lycurgus (talk) 22:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

The Economist quote is eyebrow-raising, based on the article, but I came to the talk page specifically because of the parenthetical remark that the quote is inaccurate. That's an improper synthesis of information, although I'm sympathic considering the source's unsupported and unpremised statement. The encyclopedic thing to do, I think, would be to keep the section on race demographics in Cuba, and let readers figure out for themselves that the Economist quote is unsupported. I think the even better thing to do would be to leave out the end of the quote, which isn't really completely germane to the point the Economist writer is trying to make. Thoughts?65.117.234.99 (talk) 10:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

One more thing--if the Economist quote implicitly relies on controversial racial categorization, then a section on race classification controversy would be useful. If it's just a magazine writer and editor who didn't know what they're talking about, then whatever. Oh yeah, and I disagree that the source is necessarily biased on the racial makeup of Cuba. I think it still adds something to the discussion, even if they're just wrong about something65.117.234.99 (talk) 10:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Top Afro-Cuban

What would be the top political position held by an Afro-Cuban after the Revolution? And before? --Error (talk) 00:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC) The Dictator Fulgencio Batista was mulatto like Obama.--80.31.73.71 (talk) 05:43, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

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Identification with individual ethnic groups

Article states that Afro-Cubans identify with individual West African ethinc groups. This sounds implausible.

Failosopher (talk) 16:15, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

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Redirect of Lucumi people

There is no such thing as "Lucumí people". There are people who use the Lucumí language for liturgical purposes, but that does not make them a people or an ethnic group. For more details, please read the discusion here. Thank you. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 23:36, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Jorge Luis García Pérez

I think I came across Jorge Luis García Pérez at The Epoch Times for the first time. --Apisite (talk) 03:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

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