Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maha Jana High School

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The result of the debate was KEEP. dbenbenn | talk 16:21, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Maha Jana High School

Stub about a high school in India. Radiant! 12:56, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. Should we mention EVERY High School of the world in the WP? No!. --15:39, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Note: Above vote was left by User:NewAtair. --Andylkl 04:02, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Another contentious High school article. Sigh. Delete. DaveTheRed 17:23, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep, 150 years old, ~~notable alumnus Srinivasa Ramanujan,~~ and necessary to the description of its local area. 20:03, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Comment. Vote left dated but unsigned by User:Kappa.
- 150 years isn't old for a high school. For comparison, the high school I went to in Rotterdam is 674 years old. I know USA schools tend to pride themselves on the first five decades, but in most other countries that is nothing special. Radiant! 21:30, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Seems perfectly notable to me.--Gene_poole 00:42, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep. - SimonP 01:43, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)
Delete, sorry, universities and higher learning institutions yes but high schools no. Megan1967 03:11, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete unless someone comes up with something more significant than "someone sort of famous may have once went here, but we're apparently not really sure". -Aranel ("Sarah") 03:25, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Tygar 03:50, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. "May have attended". No. Gamaliel 04:40, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Ramanujan moved from Erode to Kumbakonam when he was eight or nine, so this high school is completely irrelevant to his life. -- Brhaspati (talk, contribs) 04:45, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC)
- Comment. Yes, after some brief research I found that Ramanujan joined the Town High School in Kumbakonam at age 11, . Even if he had really studied at this Maha Jana High School, he must have done his primary schooling there. The school is therefore not notable. -- Brhaspati (talk, contribs) 04:53, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC)
Delete. Although I think Bill Clinton might have visited it. Or not. Jayjg ^(talk) 05:35, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Merge into Erode and delete - Skysmith 09:21, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It's a school, therefore there's no reason to delete. Keep, obviously.--Centauri 10:23, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete. High schools are rarely notable. --BM 14:36, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Most schools are not notable. Joyous 00:36, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Keep and allow for organic growth. GRider\^talk 00:51, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete. No potential to become encyclopedic. BTW our own article on Srinivasa Ramanujan says that "in 1898 he entered the Town High School in Kumbakonam." Dpbsmith (talk) 02:38, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete, BEEFSTEW score of 0 once the incorrect third sentence is removed. —Korath (Talk) 08:49, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. ~~Merge any useful content to Srinivasa Ramanujan.~~ A school cannot have a separate article because Srinivasa Ramanujan studied there. utcursch | talk 12:36, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
- ...I thought it was established that he didn't study there. —Korath (Talk) 15:24, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
  - Right. Therefore there is nothing useful to merge. Jayjg ^(talk) 18:01, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Notice to reviewing administrator: There was an attempt to vote stack on this article. See GRider's contributions. Votes beyond this point need to be reviewed carefully and considered carefully. -- AllyUnion (talk) 02:46, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Users must consider all policies and former consensus before commenting for consensus: Please note, Wikipedia:Deletion policy, is not the only policy to consider.

Considerations should also be made to the following as well:

Users should remember that the Wikipedia is not an experiment in democracy. -- AllyUnion (talk) 02:46, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Keep and expand. --BaronLarf 19:35, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Needs references, though - David Gerard 19:40, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep Deletioncruft. Wincoote 19:54, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete the school's one claim to fame seems questionable at best, and he's not exactly a household word anyway. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:59, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
Keep and expand Drw25 21:51, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep and make room for more BEEFSTEW. RaD Man (talk) 22:45, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep and expand. --L33tminion | (talk) 22:52, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
Keep, high schools and beyond are inherently encyclopedic (and I shan't get started on all the video game nano-cruft that lurks around here). Wyss 23:03, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Week keep. Needs more info about the school, but has potential to become encyclopedic. --Andylkl 23:38, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Notability not established. Jonathunder 01:02, 2005 Mar 5 (UTC)
Neutral for now. It's borderline. I suspect that if someone wants to salvage it, it can be done. What's there now would be no great loss, though. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:41, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Interesting school stub, wikipedia is not paper. --ShaunMacPherson 01:44, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep Notable -CunningLinguist 03:00, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep. There is no reason we can't have an article on every high school on Earth. --Zero 04:05, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep. JuntungWu 12:54, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep. high schools are notable RustyCale 13:30, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep. I think schools are inherently notable. Further, "notability" is not listed in Wikipedia:Deletion policy (even though I wish it were, and have tried to include it), so isn't grounds for deletion anyway. Dan100 17:52, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
please keep this Yuckfoo 23:09, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Neutrality^talk 23:12, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Should we mention EVERY High School of the world in the WP? Yes. LukeSurl 23:41, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
KEEP all REAL places -RickK^h^h^h^h^h. Schools are inherantly notable and this belongs on Wiki. ALKIVAR™ 03:47, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Comment: In regards to claims of vote-stacking, their are large amounts of people who beleive well-written articles for schools are inherently notable. Merely bringing an article to someones attention is no more votestacking than providing a link for someone is. If you'll notice, GRider's contributions were far and wide and not concentrated on any bloc or mailing list group. Speaking for myself, I evaluated the article and voted to keep it out of sincere belief that it deserved to be kept and not out of any votestacking motivation. I have faith that the majority of the other voters did as well. Thank you for your time. -CunningLinguist 03:59, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Comment: In defence of GRider, I agree with what CunningLinguist has said. --Andylkl 04:47, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
  - I believe there was something going that could fairly be called vote-stacking. I don't think this activity helps Wikipedia. But it is an obvious way in which it has always been possible to game the VfD system. It's also nothing new; the members of m:AIW have never made any secret about their intentions to act as a bloc, and have often publicized school VfD discussions on their page in Meta. I also believe there is absolutely no cure for this than wouldn't be worse than the disease. If I were the acting sysop on this I would count all the votes made by people to whom GRider sent emails, as I don't suspect any of them of being socks. GRider should not be surprised if this sort of activity engenders mistrust on my part, but perhaps he feels he will never have occasion to seek my cooperation. Meanwhile, I intend to continue to read VfD, vote in those discussions where I think I can contribute or have strong feelings, cast my vote, and move on, and I advise others to do the same. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:59, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  - Incidentally, the whole notion of "consensus" invariably implies the possibility of "tyranny of the minority." It comes with the territory. The Society of Friends was willing to wait something like a century and a half patiently building consensus on the issue of slavery... Dpbsmith (talk) 23:59, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete. JeremyA 04:40, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete. High schools are not inherently notable. --Carnildo 04:59, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. not notable even if real.--LexCorp 05:09, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep The Steve 07:00, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. It's a real place, Mark Richards 21:01, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Radiant! makes a compelling point. (The school that I went to is just shy — no-one is completely sure about the founding date — of being 1100 years old at this point.) Being 150 years old may make a school stand out from the crowd in the United States, but it does not in India.
There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of schools in the world. An encyclopaedia is not simply a directory. It contains knowledge, not mere information. To be worthy of an individual article an entity in a crowd of hundreds of thousands or millions has to stand out from that crowd. For a school, there has to be something more than can be inferred from the fact that it is a school (and thus has all of the acoutrements that that entails, such as enrollment, teachers, songs, crests, buildings, sports teams, and so forth). As Korath points out, this one has nothing.
Furthermore: It is both saddening and amusing to see the block votes above. It's saddening to see identical votes being cast across all of the different articles, giving the impression that the voters have not in fact read the actual articles that they are purporting to be commenting upon. It's amusing to see the votes being cast in this case, given that this school doesn't actually exist by the name given. There is a Mahajana Pre-University College in Erode, which has gone by that name since 1971-1972. But even before that its name was Mahajana Higher Secondary School. The only Mahajana High School is in Mysore, not Erode.
So much for "real places" and the well-researched assertions of notability. Delete. Uncle G 17:50, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)
- Please remember to cite your sources so others can verify your research. GRider\^talk 18:09, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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