Talk:NKVD

Who writes this stuff?

In the opening paragraph of this article, in describing the activities of the NKVD, the second sentence reads (in part), " . . . suppressed underground resistance, conducted mass deportations of nationalities . . . "

Ok, I give up. What exactly are "nationalities", as referred to here? I'm sure this is an explainable mistake. Would anyone care to explain and/or correct this?

Magnet For Knowledge (talk) 02:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I sincerely hope I've done this correctly; adding a new discussion topic. I'm sure that if I haven't, someone will let me know.

Magnet For Knowledge (talk) 02:33, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Article Violates WP:NPOV

The article is written with a negative point of view. Read the first two paragraps at the beginning of the article as a good example. Read WP:NPOV for more details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.65.147 (talk) 11:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it forgets to mention what hard working men they were, all the long hours they put in. Tool. Ceoil 20:03, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I think the current page (as of 27/06/2018) does a good job of sticking to NPOV, particularly in the opening section. I'd maybe move the bit about mobile gas vans to a more specific part - it was not such a core part of what the NKVD did as to belong in the introduction. 110.175.85.61 (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Editing

@LearsiVlad:, please refrain from reverts to version which says nonsense. There was no provisional government after october revolution. If you have disagreements, please discuss in talk page. Please also respond to comment in your talk page. -No.Altenmann >t 05:26, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Law enforcement?

The NKVD was the Soviets primary means of suppressing the population. To call it a "law enforcement agency" is entirely wrong. It may have enforced some revolutionary era laws, but as the primary means of oppression its role was outside the law, as were most of its actions.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:12, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Whatever you say, buddy. However it did enforce not "some revolutionary eras laws", but the law of the Soviet Union, way long after the revolution; Article 58, in particular. -M.Altenmann >t 02:59, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

NKVD tortured people forcing them to confirm the screenplays, not to enforce any law. Even the Soviet law doesn't say "Soviet people are obliged to admit their participation in forged conspiracies. Those who don't admit may be tortured or killed." Xx236 (talk) 07:58, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Contemporary law enforcement officials frequently go beyond their stated remit in "enforcing laws"; see all the recent shootings of unarmed men in the US. Law enforcement bodies can and do break the law themselves; it doesn't mean they stop being law enforcement bodies. The NKVD was empowered by law to enforce the law - hence it is a law enforcement agency. 110.175.85.61 (talk) 00:27, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

What is -lines?

Troops divisions can be seen -lines Xx236 (talk) 13:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC) Vandalism 24 November 2014.Xx236 (talk) 07:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

KGB and other "successors"

I deleted the part stating that NKVD was renamed to KGB. It is simply wrong as NKVD was renamed to MVD in 1946 and KGB was only formed in 1954. I also removed reference to later reorganizations of KGB. --peyerk (talk) 12:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

epaulets

To editor MaslakovAS: I don't think the 1943 epaulets (which are almost the same as the 1943-1946 designs) are worth the space. The differences are minor to the point of being redundant. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:17, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

To editor Chris troutman: This is in principle, since the information is otherwise distorted. But it is better to leave the second option as okoshchatny - the first was canceled almost immediately after the introduction of epaulettes. Sorry for my English((( Thank you:) MaslakovAS

self-contradiction

One part of the article says it was dissolved in 1946, and another part says it still existed after the death of Stalin in 1953. Which is it?

GUGB ranking system

Commissioner?? of state security

Commissar of state security makes more sense. Just because person was Commissar, it doesn't makes him (minister).

Political commissar or political Commissioner?? --Ataman (talk) 18:27, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

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Статья просто ужасная

Авторы даже не знают, что НКВД включало обычную уголовную полицию и охрану правопорядка. И просто чудовищный фейк - газенвагены приписаны советской полиции! На основании художественной книжки! Роскомнадзор должен заблокировать этот сайт за распространение фейков. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ya unikum (talk • contribs) 19:18, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 3 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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NKVD → People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs (Soviet Union) – The article's naming convention is inconsistent with the rest of Wikipedia, for example:

• Central Intelligence Agency
• Federal Bureau of Investigation
• Ministry of State Security
• National Intelligence Service
• People's Commissariat of State Security (Ukraine) Leonard LMT (talk) 00:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Move to People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs - there's no need for the disambiguator. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Move to People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs per Pppery. Mellk (talk) 11:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Names don't have to be consistent. The acronym is much more popular in English literature than the translation - Google Books comes up with 10,300 hits for "People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs" and 720,000 hits for NKVD. Even if we presume that the full string is artificially deflating hits because maybe it's referred to in short form as "People's Commissariat" sometimes, that's still quite a substantial difference. SnowFire (talk) 14:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Britannica. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose these are not English language names. They do not initialize English language terms. Thus WP:USEENGLISH and WP:COMMMONNAME results in "KGB" and "NKVD" since Russian doesn't use Latin letters, the proposed titles are translations from Russian and not latinized Russian names; and these KGB/NKVD are therefore English language names, and pass WP:RECOGNIZABILITY. Instead of being confusable with some other organs from some other languages that translate similarly from other countries, which would latinize completely differently if not translated. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 00:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

  The Ministry of State Security (China) uses the acronym MSS rather the acronym Guójiā Ānquán Bù, the National Intelligence Service (South Korea) uses the acronym NIS rather than the acronym for RR GJG so this rule is already being violated. Leonard LMT (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

There is no any rule for using (or not using) foreign language acronyms. The rule is WP:COMMONNAME. My very best wishes (talk) 01:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Common name can be a full name (as in the examples above), but it can be also an acronym, as in this case. Same for Cheka, KGB and probably OGPU [1]. In other words, everyone knows what is the "Federal Bureau of Investigation", but no one knows what is "People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs (Soviet Union)". The latter is known under the name of "NKVD", and not only in English. Same in Russian. My very best wishes (talk) 17:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. NKVD is much more recognizable and natural (see SnowFire's evidence, with more available on request). It's just as precise and more concise than the proposed title. It's also more consistent with relevant articles, like NKVD prisoner massacres, Mass operations of the NKVD, and at least 20 others. I think the only one with the proposed title present is People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs units dressed as Ukrainian Insurgent Army fighters, which should probably be moved if this move is not succesful. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. Actually, this long name page should be just merged to NKVD special groups. My very best wishes (talk) 17:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Leonard LMT, most users reject WP:OTHERSTUFF argumentation. Per WP:COMMONNAME, the article should remain titled NKVD ([2][3]/[4][5]/[6][7]/[8][9]/[10][11]). XxTechnicianxX (talk) 02:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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