Talk:Lata Mangeshkar

WP:NPOV

"She is one of the best-known and most respected playback singers in South Asia, especially India." This statement requires explanation. ImmortalWizard(chat) 19:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

How is that not a reasonable statement, given what's pointed to by the relevant citation, by her being awarded the Bharat Ratna, being considered one of the greatest Indians (10th greatest, after Gandhi's taken out, by one poll, IIRC), etc. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

dubious

1962/3 poisoning incident is covered in Aisa Kahan Se Laaoon, a biography by Hindi writer Padma Sachdev. The incident was earlier covered in a documentary series interview of Lata for Channel 4 in 1991 titled Lata Mangeshkar...In Her Own Voice by Nasreen Munni Kabir. The documentary was later published as a book.

The article and sources narrate the incident following way: In early 1962, Mangeshkar was given slow poison. A doctor was called. He came with an x-ray machine to examine her, and gave her an injection to render her unconscious, because she was in pain. For three days, she had a close brush with death. After ten days, she began to recover. The doctor told her that somebody had given her slow poison. The slow poison incident rendered her very weak. She was bedridden for nearly 3 months. The most surprising thing was that soon after the incident, the cook who used to work at Lata's home, suddenly vanished without taking his wages. The cook had earlier worked with some Bollywood people. Bollywood lyricist Majrooh Sultanpuri used to regularly visit Lata at her home daily at 6 pm. Majrooh used to first taste the food and then allow Lata to eat. He used to recite poems and stories to keep Lata in good humour.

By reading the incident, it seem dubious because her cook vanished and it seem that she did not filed any police complaint in response to a "conspiracy" to murder her with slow-poisoning. The incident seems like it was an incident of food poisoning and her cook left because he was responsible for the food. I doubt that if there was any serious slow-poison murder conspiracy. The news stories seem sensationalism to me. I will not remove the text without opinions of the other editors. The text in the article is copyvio from IndiaTV source so need to be rewritten at least.-Nizil (talk) 14:45, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

The interview is available in parts on YouTube - Part 1. Someone need to watch whole interview to assess the incident.-Nizil (talk) 14:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

References

Semi-protection request (17-Nov-19)

I want to request for semi-protection for this article as some IP addresses and users are editing this page to say that Didi has passed away, which seems to be a baseless rumor. The page should be protected till the situation becomes clear. --JavaHurricane (talk) 07:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

I recently made such a request. Dhtwiki (talk) 21:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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Date

Date of Lata didi of deth is wrong it shows 2nd February but actual is 6th February 2405:205:C96F:9863:D97F:805B:4695:BC32 (talk) 04:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Seems to be vandalism, has been fixed since. JavaHurricane 05:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

It has been fixed. Keshavv1234 (talk) 07:30, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Date and time of death

6th Feb.2022 42.105.100.140 (talk) 05:24, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Lata mangeshkar is from kolhapur, Maharashtra.... she was born in kolhapur not indore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.77.36.103 (talk) 07:07, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Feb. 6th, 2020 08:12 IST ASHISH JINGONIA (talk) 13:57, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

6th February,2022,8:12 Am (morning) at Mumbai. LadeGaurav (talk) 14:05, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Vital Article and still less photos

Titles in 1960's to 2010's need more photos. It looks awfully bland. Avi :D (talk) 07:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Avi :D, do you have any suggestions on what photos should be included that comport to Wikipedia? While I agree the article could use more photographs, I would like to consider what photos you would like to include. Jurisdicta (talk) 05:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2022

Passed away Jan 6 2022 218.186.167.168 (talk) 12:13, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Feb 6th Cannolis (talk) 12:23, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Funeral place is Shivaji park

It is correct Ayushrajo (talk) 12:32, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes it is correct. ASHISH JINGONIA (talk) 13:58, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2022 (3)

Pls add the death date 122.178.74.9 (talk) 13:49, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 Already done Read the article, it's already there Cannolis (talk) 14:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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I want to change some lines, there is not many appreciation given. RRC1285 (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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Add Date of Death: 06/02/2022. Add Cause of Death: Pneumonia persisting due to COVID-19. 122.168.93.189 (talk) 14:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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Should be, Must be, Done

Our national treasure LATA MANGESHKAR IS ONE OF THE GREATEST SINGERS IN THE WORLD AND WE WANT WIKIPEDIA TO STOP CONSIDERING HER ONLY IN INDIA BUT HE A MIRACLE FOR WORLD 157.35.1.151 (talk) 15:44, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The statement doesn't seems to be reasonable. You cannot add your own perceptions at this article instead all information must have valid facts and references to be uploaded. The types of slangs you are mentioning sounds irrelevant. Keshavv1234 (talk) 16:07, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Question on Cause of death mention

Should the cause of death be mentioned at this article in the infobox table? I have added it many times with valid citation but it doesn't last longer and some users say that death cause isn't required in the infobox. The actual death cause is confirmed to be Covid-19 and Pneumonia causing multiple organ failure. Keshavv1234 (talk) 16:14, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Awards of late Lata Mangeskar

Legendary Singer late Lata Mangeskar won "Desikottom" (দেশিকোত্তম) Award in the year 1997 which is the highest Award in Viva Bharati University, Shantiniketan founded by Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore. 103.10.116.51 (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Awards of late Lata Mangeskar (Corrected)

Legendary Singer late Lata Mangeskar won "Desikottom" (দেশিকোত্তম) Award in the year 1997 which is the highest Award in Visva Bharati University, Shantiniketan founded by Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore. 103.10.116.51 (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2022 (UTC) 103.10.116.51 (talk) 19:23, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Tours Overseas

Please if some one can add details of this. In separate tab 27.123.138.178 (talk) 23:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Lata mangeshakar

Please add her family members name 106.201.231.89 (talk) 10:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2022

Please remove the description of "Maharashtrian Brahmin" from the first sentence of the "Early Life" section. Deenanath Mangeshkar's father was a Karhade Brahmin named Ganesh, but his mother wasn't his father's wife (his father was already married to a Brahmin lady, only the wife's descendants are regarded as Brahmins in Goa) - she was a Devadasi mistress named Yesubai. Hence Deenanath didn't inherit his father's Hardikar surname or Brahmin caste, and instead belonged to Gomantak Maratha Samaj like his mother. Like most members of that group, Deenanath took his surname from his village. Read here: https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/asha-bhosle-has-not-done-enough-for-goa-bjp-lawmaker-2-760577.html If the family was Brahmin, there wouldn't be any "caste concerns" about Lata's request to perform rituals in the Mangueshi Temple. 2402:3A80:18CD:7058:FED7:77BA:12EA:36E7 (talk) 19:15, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

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Lata mangeshkar's last recorded song was "Saugandh mujhe iss mitti ki" released on 30 March 2019. Please correct it where its written that her last recorded song was Gaytri Mantra on Ambanis wedding in Dec 2018. Reference is [135] Arpit Galohda (talk) 11:15, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Reference in the singing Career. [130] "Lata Mangeshkar sings poem Modi recited after Balakot airstrikes, PM says it's inspirational" Arpit Galohda (talk) 11:28, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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Please change "Lata was born in a Maharashtrian Brahmin family" in the first sentence of the Early Life section to "Lata was born in a Gomantak Maratha Samaj family" Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20090105185115/http://www.goa-world.com/goa/books/briefrev.htm

Since Deenanath Mangeshkar's parents were not married to each other, he did not inherit his Karhade Brahmin father's caste and surname but instead inherited his Devadasi mother's caste status. Source: https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/asha-bhosle-has-not-done-enough-for-goa-bjp-lawmaker-2-760577.html Article Quote: "The relation between Goa and the Mangeshkars strained further after the eldest sibling Lata Mangeshkar was not allowed to perform a rite by the temple management, which cited caste concerns." 2402:3A80:C9B:302E:C664:6272:5331:35C1 (talk) 06:13, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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@ScottishFinnishRadish: The edit was made but kept getting reverted. A lot of Lata Mangeshkar's Indian fans are not willing to accept that her family origins were not conventional.

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2022

Please add this information in" Awards of Lata Mangeshkar " Legendary singer Lata Mangeshkar was honoured with the Swara Mauli title by Shankarcharya Vidyanarsimha Bharati Swami at her residence Prabhu Kunj in Mumbai on May 13, 2018 Arpit Galohda (talk) 10:20, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hi I am not able to copy that source link here which support this information. Its my humble request to you if you search on Google regarding Swara Mauli award to Lata Mangeshkar. You will get the results and source information in support of this. Thank you very much Regards Arpit Galohda (talk) 11:18, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Lata mangeshkar's last recorded song was "Saugandh mujhe iss mitti ki" released on 30 March 2019. Please correct it where its written that her last recorded song was Gaytri Mantra on Ambanis wedding in Dec 2018. Reference is Citation no. [130] of Lata Mangeshkar Wikipedia.

Please correct it. Information should be correct. Arpit Galohda (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Last Song recorded by Lata Mangeshkar

Her last recorded song was a rendition of the Gāyatrī Mantra at Mukesh Ambani's daughter Isha Ambani's wedding. This is wrong information. Please correct it. On 30 March 2019, Mangeshkar released the song "Saugandh Mujhe Is Mitti Ki", composed by Mayuresh Pai, as a tribute to the Indian army and nation. This was her last recorded song. And not Gaytri mantra as mentioned in the Wikipedia. Please make this factual correction. Arpit Galohda (talk) 15:52, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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References

Main Picture

Hello, It's quite usual to use a picture of the deceased person when he or she was young.

I was wondering if we could use this picture used by "The Economist" in its obituary as her main picture

https://www.economist.com/img/b/1280/720/90/sites/default/files/images/2022/02/articles/main/20220212_obp001.jpg

Regards Varoon2542 (talk) 17:26, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree but the picture seems to be in low quality.Avi :D (talk) 12:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@ItzAviqn: I have uploaded a better quality version "Lata Mangeshkar (Black and White Picture).jpg" Varoon2542 (talk) 04:46, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Works! :D Avi :D (talk) 05:06, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Bazaar

please change ((Bazaar)) to ((Bazaar (1982 film)|Bazaar)) 2601:541:4580:8500:C24:640B:72D4:8BB2 (talk) 00:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 03:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2022

Siblings: Asha Bhosle Usha Mangeshkar Hridaynath Mangeshkar Meena Khadikar Swatitripathi2886 (talk) 12:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

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Lata di ne ketne song gayi hai

Ok 103.68.31.112 (talk) 11:56, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Between 25 and 50 thousand, according to Lata_Mangeshkar#Controversy, that number being subject to debate (Lata di ne ketne song gayi hai = "How many songs has Lata di done?"). Dhtwiki (talk) 05:56, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Lead image

So User:Varoon2542 is of the opinion that we should use old 1940s pic in lead

File:Lata Mangeshkar (Black and White Picture).jpg

1940s pic proposed by Varoon2542.

Whereas i am proposing to stick to one of pics in 2000s or 2010s. Problem with 1942's pic is that Mangeshkar was 13 y.o. then and was hardly notable. She rose to prominence in 1960s and peaked in 1980s. Post that in 2000s she has been considered as legend and has received numerous life-time achievement like awards. Lead image should a representation of the person. Mangeshkar is not known as an adolescents teenage singer but a legendary singer of the yesteryears. I think her image of later years should be selected and Commons has many options of it and i don't mind anyone selecting any one of those. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:45, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm used to the mature picture, which must have been there for some time before being replaced, and am surprised by the youthful one, which I consider a new addition, made without discussion or consensus. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello User:Dharmadhyaksha and Dhtwiki, If I'm not mistaken, it is common usage to use an old picture of a deceased person. That's why I gave the example of Sidney Poitier whose lead picture is a black and white photograph from 1968.

I also fail to understand the logic of using a very recent picture of someone who was a legendary singer of the yesteryears. In that case, shouldn't a picture dating to the time when she was at the prime of her career be more appropriate? For deceased beauty queens, the lead picture is usually one taken at a time when they were crowned not one from their last years when they had already faded into anonymity.

And how recent should the picture be? Should we use the most recent picture at all costs? One taken minutes before her death instead of one taken a week before her death?

The picture I used is the one The Economist used in their obituary because it dates back to the time when she first stepped in the film industry and let's be honest about it, a picture that flatters her.

If one were to follow your logic, all the articles of deceased persons should have lead pictures of them in wheelchairs and in ripe old age. That's not the case for anyone, I fail to understand why it should be the case for Lata Mangeshkar

Lastly, it's a generational debate. You remember her always as an old lady, that's not the case of eight generations of her admirers who remember her as a young singer AND actress.

Michael Jaskson's lead picture dates back to 1988 when he was still somehow black. I expect you to put one from 2009 with his bleached skin

I don't mind being contradicted but I expect you to be coherent. I just want Lata Mangeshkar to be treated the same way as others. Varoon2542 (talk) 11:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, please use WP:INDENT if you want people to really read what you write. Don't compare actors/performing artists (Jackson & Poitier) with singers; where they are notable for their looks. ::No one admires Mangeshkar for being an actress! (That was unexpected to read.) I dont mind a pic of her from 1970s-90s if you find one on COMMONS. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 12:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

• Comment. I am a relatively uninvolved editor, but, I led the efforts to get this article to WP:ITN. My two cents is to use a picture from 2000-2022 since there are images available from that period and arguably have the most recall. This other picture from the 1940s / 50s can be used in the body of the article. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 15:15, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello User:Dharmadhyaksha and Ktin,

May I know when it was decided that the lead picture depends on what people are notable for? I don't mind following rules as long as they exist for real and are not created for the sake of winning an argument

Mukesh the singer died in 1976, his lead picture was taken in... 1956. Pablo Picasso died in 1973 at the age of 91, his lead picture is... a youthful photograph of him at age 27 in 1908.

None of the above two were notable for their looks. One was a singer, the other a painter

Irrespective of what Lata Mangeshkar was admired for, the black and white picture from 1942 was used by The Economist because the reputed magazine deemed it wise to use a flattering picture of her irrespective of what she was known for. Anil Kapoor used it on twitter to pay homage to her. If we follow your line of thought, only a picture of her vocal chords might be suitable

The decision on what picture to use as lead for a deceased person is hightly subjective. I fail to understand why you insist on it being one of an aged, diminished woman instead of her in her prime, prepared for a photoshoot just when she was at the cusp of stardom.

The picture I propose is also iconic not just one taken from a journal here and there.

I would also point out that the picture you replaced mine with is not even the former picture that was there before my edit. When Dhtwiki writes "I'm used to the mature picture, which must have been there for some time before being replaced", he didn't even realise that he wasn't used to your picture but just to an aged picture of hers.

I'm not reverting your edit for the time being to let others give in their thoughts but none of this debate seems coherent

Regards Varoon2542 (talk) 17:23, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Not reading (and thus not replying) until you start writing properly. WP:TALK. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:39, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

See MOS:LEADIMAGE, which says, among other things, "It is common for an article's lead or infobox to carry a representative image—such as of a person or place, a book or album cover—to give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page." There are many color photos of Mangeshkar in her maturity, and that is what I'm used to seeing in the lead. The B&W image strikes me as too young and too unlike what we're used to having here. Note the image on the hearse at her funeral, which certainly has to be an example of what is representative of her. The photo that you propose would be more suitable for placement in the "Early career in the 1940s" subsection, where there is presently no image. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:43, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Talk, And how did you exactly know that I didn't write "properly"....without reading what I wrote? I take note that you didn't justify your incoherent objections

Hello Dhtwiki, I do understand YOUR logic. That said, the Picasso example still stands. Who remembers him as a young man?

Just because she led a long life, and younger generations remember her as an aged woman doesn't mean that this image of hers should stick for eternity. A more appropriate image could be this one from 1959 at age 30 when she was already a celebrated singer and used by French journal Le Monde in its obituary https://www.lemonde.fr/disparitions/article/2022/02/08/mort-de-la-diva-indienne-lata-mangeshkar_6112815_3382.html

That said, I still prefer the 1942 one where she doesn't look as stern as in the 1959 one Varoon2542 (talk) 16:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Dharmadhyaksha may be referring to your not indenting your posts, using ':', which is why I'm placing "outdent" templates to indicate that you're replying to previous indented posts.

I don't understand why the editors of the Picasso article chose that particular image as the primary one; but their logic, whatever it was, doesn't have to apply here. The appropriateness of images for each article can be considered separately. The 1942 photo you link to is another black-and-white image portraying a youthful Mangeshkar. People used to a color image of an elderly woman might not immediately recognize your image as portraying the subject of this article, which is what the guideline I quoted above is suggesting should be the main criterion. Dhtwiki (talk) 21:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

@Varoon2542: You need to learn a lot of things on Wikipedia first before jumping to conclusions based on 2-3 random examples. For starters you may want to observe and then make smaller edits. Then there are pages on WP which help you in writing articles, as well as how to edit talk pages and discuss with other editors. Just for example: you can start wikilinking when you write paragraphs about Picasso, Poitier and Jackson. Wikipedia is not about pushing your views and making your choice of pictures visible at the top. Try Instagram for that!

Now coming to you point-wise:

• Poitier was an actor, who are known for how they look. Hence it is wise to keep the lead image of the era when he was in his prime. If the editors of that page have kept his image of 1968, that might be because he had finished more than half of his acting career by then and had won significant awards also like Oscar, BAFTA, Golden Globe, etc.
• Jackson was a pop star and his looks matter; especially given his medical condition. And you are wrong about he being black in 1988. The picture is B&W; but he was fairy white then. Again you can see here that Jackson's pic depicts him in his performance; the act that he is known for and maybe thats a good choice of image.
• Picasso was a painter and his looks dont matter. But what matters is how in popular culture he has been represented by other notable sources.
• We dont give a damn about what Anil Kapoor tweets. If he wants us to give a damn about it, he can login and start editing WP.
• As against to your sample of Economist, there are multiple obituaries that use Mangeshkar's image of older days: The Guardian, [BBC, India Today, Al Jazeera, Indian Express, DNA, The Times (UK), Telegraph (UK), ABC, etc. Despite all these examples, you may wanna surf WP:OTHERSTUFF.

And, as said earlier, I don't mind a pic of her from 1970s-90s if you find one on COMMONS. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:20, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Superlatives

For more than a year, the lead introduction made mention of her as "She is widely considered to have been one of the greatest and most influential singers in India and one of the world's greatest singers, according to BBC"

This never bothered anyone despite "greatest" being a subjective term. On the 9th July 2023, I trimmed it to "She is widely considered to be the most celebrated singer in independent India and one of the world's most loved artists"

Most celebrated is neutral. It doesn't give any indication on how great she was as a singer, that's a matter of personal taste, but tells us how influential she was in her home country and abroad

This is apparently a matter of dispute for User:Arorapriyansh333

So let me recap,

i) She received India's highest civilian award, one of only three singers to have had the honours,

ii) The only indian singer to receive a foreign, specifically Western, civilian honour, the French Legion of Honour,

iii) Her life and death have been widely reported across the world, with "The Economist" going as far as calling her "The soundtrack of Indepedent India",

iv) She had state funerals and a period of national mourning with even arch rivals, Pakistan and Bangladesh, lamenting her demise,

v) ALL of the sources point to how she defined singing for all female singers who came after her,

vi) There's not a single male singer, living or dead, who can even remotely claim her level of notability (Rafi is not more notable than his contemporary Mukesh or later singers like Narayan),

Calling her "the most celebrated singer of independent India" is an undestatement and a résumé of all the laudative expressions used to describe her career

If this is problematic for a significant number of contributors, then I won't insist but as only one contributor, who BTW has never before contributed to the article, seems to have an issue on the expression used, I'll be sticking to the term for the time being Varoon2542 (talk) 13:51, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

For more than a year, the lead introduction made mention of her as "She is widely considered to have been one of the greatest and most influential singers in India and one of the world's greatest singers, according to BBC".

Yes, and that was partially my addition. And then you came and changed it to what suit you best. Secondly, you don't understand that calling someone the greatest and one of the greatest are two different things. We all know she is one of the greatest, but the greatest is subjective. So nobody bothered about the line. And those achievements you named are not enough to say, "She is widely considered the most celebrated singer." Even the cited sources do not mention it anywhere clearly. She has also never won a poll for the greatest voice or singer in India. Wikipedia should be verified with reliable sources and cannot be written with one's opinion. And if independents said it, then why don't you add those sources? When you refer to someone as "widely considered to be the most celebrated singer", it must be clearly verified with multiple reliable sources. And FYI, I've contributed more to this article than you have. Please go check the statistics.

"ALL of the sources point to how she defined singing for all female singers who came after her."

Yes, but that does not make her the supreme singer of India, but rather the most celebrated female singer. That's what the sources point to.

At last, If you do not agree, we can move to the previous consensus that everyone agrees with. i.e., "She is widely considered to have been one of the greatest and most influential singers in India and one of the world's greatest singers, according to the BBC". This consensus is hailed by all, and I have no problem with it. Or you can add those sources you named where the argument can be verified. You have to do either one of these. Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 15:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello User:Shshshsh

This might interest you Varoon2542 (talk) 17:57, 23 July 2023 (UTC)