Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Frost

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The result of the debate was DELETE. jni 14:52, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Jason Frost

See related entries Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Blue Moon & Company, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Love Junkies. Non-notable, vanity, possible hoax. Searches for "Blue Moon & Company," "Love Junkies," and "Jason Frost" at allmusic.com turn up zilch. Android79 02:53, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

PLEASE READ FIRST:

Wikipaedia decision maker. Jason Frost was a Sunshine Bandmember withMajor label, KC & Sunshine Band, as well as an important part of rock n roll history in Olympia-Seattle area, who continues to create music for his devoted fans like myself. You can check here, as well as the many, many, links thoughout this page on his newspaper articles, press, artist pages, and movie film database on major film, etc. He is notable. Android79 has done nothing but angered me and played games and muddied up this page.

A search for "jason frost kc & sunshine band" turned up folowwing results: MTV listings: http://www.mtv.com/movies/person/337491/personmain.jhtml

(The star next to his name means he is notable to MTV!!!)

Wikipaedia requires for a band or artist personality to be listed he must have been a member of a notable band, KC & Sunshine Band, had hits like "get down tonight" and others. His being a memebr of this band makes him notable, even though I find this the least notable of his accomplishments. I vote to KEEP! - Timk

He did not fill in, he was member of band, that was my mistake from earlier post when I said filled in. He was touring performer.

(again apologize for the muddled up page which follows, in between are some good links for verification)

GO AHEAD AND KEEP DELETING ON YOUR DELETENG SPREE ANDROID79, WIKIPAEDIA AUTHORS WILL SOON FIND THAT YOU ARE JUST DELETING ON RANDOM SPREE WITH NO BASIS - SEE ANDROIDS PROFILE, they have contributed nothing to wikipaedia except to go around voting to delete stuff, many have contributed over years in building and writing!

User:Tim k pasted my profile page here; follow the link if you really care. Please don't do that any more, Tim. Android79 05:55, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Delete, not notable, artist vanity. Megan1967 04:02, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

VOTE TO DISREGARD: See below, even after providing facts, Android79 will not back down or change mind, obviously personal, also read androids profile, makes a habit of actively seeking bands and artsist to delete. Sounds fishy to me. Like they are just looking and itching to delete the hard work many of have contributed over many years on an artist or band they find notable. I don't think I will be using wikipaedia anymore because of stuff like this. I actually came on here 2nite and was going to add some newer updates and stuff to one of my favorite artists pages- but I change my mind after this. Not worth the ffort when people can just delete on a whim everyones efforts and contributions. (Note: This unsigned comment is by User:Tim k, who inserted it between User:Megan1967's vote and her signature) User:Android79 pasted name here; trying to lay cliam that I was changing people vites, which was not true. Please don't do that any more, Android! User:Timk 05:55, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

That's not what the page history says. Please stop deleting my comments. Android79 06:09, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Delete, all of them. DaveTheRed 04:12, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Delete for not verifiably meeting the Notability and Music Guidelines. If he was truly an important part of the Olympia scene, I would change my vote, but I can't verify this. Tuf-Kat 05:07, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

See his write up on Jason Frost of Love Junkies in Olympia, WA newspaper. http://www.theolympian.com/home/news/20040507/living/44466_Printer.shtml (scroll middle of article) - Timk

Keep Keep. I have been longtime fan and can verify this information, also do a web search on google or sumthin, hes listed everywhere, but AMG only listed major label artists, not indies -he has only recently signed to bigger label, and sunshine bandmember in like 2000-2002 so perhaps he will be listed soon? - Timk

Also he began and started out renting warehouse space formerly rented by nirvana and was roomates and shared practice space and lived with John Wozniak of Marcy Playground in heart of the grunge scene in Washington state, also was promoter in NW Washington innovating new type shows like phunky phat 95, and has gone on to do national charity tours such as ROCK FOR CHRISTMAS rock4xmas.com which brings gifts and money to homeless and those less fortunate each year.

Do your research before deleting!

(Jason Frost may not be in Allmusic, but is in Internet Movie Film Database as Sunshine Bandmember)

He was member of KC & Sunshine Band and appeared in movie The "In-Laws" featuring Michael Douglas and Albert Brooks in credits as Sunshine Bandmember:

See profile: http://imdb.com/name/nm1378332/

Full credits: http://imdb.com/title/tt0314786/fullcredits (scroll mid page)

Also, has album and release on Statue Records Group label by band called "Jason Frost & The Love Junkies" (formerly Blue Moon & Company) --Tim k (Frostfan)

Comment. Notwithstanding, let's take these one by one:
- do a web search on google or sumthin, hes listed everywhere
  - The first six hits or so on Google for "jason frost" "love junkies" are either text that is mysteriously like what shows up in the Wikipedia article, search engine black holes, or bogus press releases. It seems to me that Frost or someone who really cares about promoting his music is laying down a whole lot of astroturf.
- he has only recently signed to bigger label, perhaps he will be listed soon?
  - Provide a verification of this fact and it might help.
- started out renting warehouse space formerly rented by nirvana
  - I went to high school with the Dahm triplets. Do I deserve my own Wikipedia entry?
    - Note: 66.32.81.97 deleted this comment 23:56, Feb 28, 2005 Android79 05:59, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

I DELETED IT BECAUSE WHAT DOES YOU GOINF TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH SOME BAND I NEVER HEARD OF HAVE TO DO WITH JAMMING WITH MARCY PLAYRGROUND AND NIRVANA IN BAND ALLEY? (fans are interested in this sort of historic information)The same way that they are interested that Kurt Cobain hung out in the studios while Metal Church recorded there first album "In The Dark",,, I was just deleting your irrelevant and smug remarks.- Tim K

- was roomates and shared practice space with John Wozniak of Marcy Playground
  - How is this any more than name-dropping? AFAIK, Marcy Playground is pretty much a one-hit wonder. Sharing practice space with this band is somehow notable?
- also was promoter in NW innovating new type shows like phunky phat 95,
  - Google for "phunky phat 95" yields yet more from the same sites as the earlier search.
- and has gone on to do national charity tours such as rock4xmas.com which brings gifts and money to homelss and those less fortunate each year
  - rock4xmas.com doesn't list any kind of Junkies. Granted, I didn't poke around the site that long, as it made my eyes bleed. If I'm mistaken, please correct me.
Sorry if this seems a bit harsh, but after dealing with the vandalism and yet another entry on the Love Junkies, well, you get the idea. Android79 04:30, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

HE IS LISTED AS JASON FROST, UNDER SPONSORS LOVE JUNKIES ALBUM COVER IS LISTED -- READ THE NAME SOF PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS - NO SMALL FARE.

Also he began and started out practicing with John Wozniak of Marcy Playground (jamming in same warehouse space formerly as Nirvana with his band Blue Moon splitting the unit with Marcy Playground to jam---they also shared a giutarist). He was also promoter in NW innovating new type shows like phunky phat 95 bringing hip hop and alternative music together and he has gone on to do national charity tours such as rock4xmas.com working with some pretty notable celebrities like members from Anthrax, WASP, Great White, Quiet Riot, Badfinger, Blue Oyster Cult and others. They bring gifts and money to homeless and those less fortunate each year.

Do your research before deleting! (He is notable)

(a bit on his history and where and what he is up to now) http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/11/prweb182783.php

Yet another bogus press release. Android79 04:34, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

WHY DO YOU SAY ALL THIS STUFF IS BOGUS? I ATTENDED ONE OF THE SHOWS!!!

It's bogus because anyone can submit a press release that says whatever they want it to. Android79 04:57, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

WHO ARE YOU ANDROID79 THAT YOU WOUDL DISCREDIT A PERSONS WHOLE LIFE AND CAREER? SIMPLY BECAUSE HE IS UNCONVENTIONAL AND INDEPENDANT FREE THNKER WHO IS NOT CONTROLLED BY MASS MEDIA??? I THINK YOU GOT PROBLEMS OR HAVE PERSONAL VENDETTA WITH THIS ARTIST AND BAND. HIS LISTING HAS BEEN ON HERE FOR YEARS. I RECOMMEND THIS DELETION REQUEST BE REMOVED. IT IS INSULTING TO THIS ARTIST AND HIS FANS. I AM GOING TO EMAIL A COPY OF THIS PAGE TO HIS WEBSITE OR POST ON HIS BAND's BBS A COPY OF THIS NONSENSE.

Personal vendetta? Certainly not. Provide some verifiable information that shows that the subject is somehow notable and I'm sure that it will remain on Wikipedia without any problems. Android79 04:57, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

IT DOES CONFORM TO MUSIC GUIDELINES - Tim k

Delete. No allmusic.com entry. One credit in IMDB does not equal notability. Gamaliel 04:54, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have provided more notable info and links than you could provide discredits---as I said and YOU deleted and VANDALIZED MY post. I said being on major film credits with Michael Douglas and Albert Brooks and a member of KC & SUNSHINE BAND, also in film, is pretty frickin notable if you ask me...also every other thing and link abotu this artist is notable. I have followed this artist for years. I coudl go on and on... but why try...its obvious that wikipaedia is no longer aplace to find juicy tidbits and obscure info...its becoming ruined by people likeyou deleteing information that took others years to compile and post here on what they obviously found to be notable. - Tim k

Please, read the notability guidelines for musicians. They're not hard and fast rules, but Frost comes nowhere near meeting any of them. I doubt whether a role as what basically amounts to an extra in a single movie really counts for much, either. Also, if I deleted all or part of your posts, it was inadvertent, as we were editing this page concurrently. Android79 05:16, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

Your original argument has been refuted

Non-notable,

I have given links to websites, press, newspapers, charity sites with bands and concerts he has worked to promote. Also if not being a part of the initial grunge movement and playing and hanging with all those bands in the early grunge days in independantg rock scene is not notable or interesting WTF? Also I provided major film and verifiable proof that he went on to be part of KC & SUNSHINE band- wikipaedia rules says if you are memebr of major band through major label even for short time than you satisfy listign requirement. I personally find this as his least notable accomplishment, but that alone suffices and satisfies wikipaedia placement.

vanity,

I am sure if you check the articles on frost and his bands, and otehr stuff probably had multiple authors as I have witness the articles here on him change over the years -- he has had listign long time. Are you smoking peyote?

possible hoax

Hoax,

This is a musician with long verifiable history, what kind of hoax can this be? he has been around before wikipaedia even existed!!!

GO HERE AND CLOSE THSI ISSUE ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jason+frost+kc+%26+sunshine+band

- If you put quotation marks around "jason frost" in that search, you go from 430 distinct google hits to 16. And most of those are references to his bit part. Nice try, but still non-notable DaveTheRed 08:22, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete. A "driving force behind the underground alternative rock scene of the early 1990s"? What utter crap. Postdlf 06:06, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I THOUGHT WIKIPAEDIA WAS ABOUT EDITING AND FIXING AND DEFINING THINGS CLOSER TO THEIR TRUE ESSENSE WITH EACH EDIT. WHY DELETE---EDIT AND EXPAND UPON. IF SOMETHING DOES NOT SEEM RIGHT FIX-BUT DO NOT DELETE A VALID ENTRY BECAUSE AN OVER ZEALOUS FAN MAY HAVE PUT SOMETHING IN YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH! - Timk

Delete. Not-notable. --BM 12:48, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Comment: So... this legendary alternative rock singer is notable because he was a member of the mainstream pop-disco group KC & the Sunshine Band? No change in vote. Tuf-Kat 13:02, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

DELETE and ban this vandal. Binadot 13:23, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

User:66.32.171.2 has deleted the Vfd header at both this article and Love Junkies. Rick K 07:16, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

I am the user that deleted Vfd tags. I apologize, I am new here. There was some confusion about Vfd tags being deleted after 5 days. I thought anyone could delete after 5 days, although discussion still continues in here on vfd pages. It is recommended vfd deletion rule pages add specifically who is authorized to do this as it was unclear -- hence the accidental deletion. It was only done out of respect for the artists concerned. Please research and confirm updates on Artists profile. All information can be verified either through Publisher or ASCAP. This unsigned comment is from User:66.32.171.2. Android79 13:57, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Well, given that the VfD notice itself says "don't delete me," and that the VfD policy page is pretty clear on what happens after the 5 days are up, I really don't understand the confusion. Feel free to leave a comment over at the policy page, though. Anyway... Google for "Statue Records" and one of the first hits is whether or not the label is a scam. Indeed, the Love Junkies appear to have released a record on this label of undetermined notability and reputation, but even so, the subject still does not meet the letter or the spirit of the notability guidelines for musicians. Android79 13:51, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

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